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Clearly, you don't. Otherwise you wouldn't feel the need to put fabricated words in my mouth.
I'm talking about his entire career.
It has been hilarious if you can remember back that far.
Clearly, you don't. Otherwise you wouldn't feel the need to put fabricated words in my mouth.
What is with this crap about the Celts getting a good deal if they get Marion for their 5th pick. Marion is a guy you want if you are built to win right now, they won 24 games last year for god's sake. They need someone young to try and develop, Marion in my opinion is not that good anyway. Especially at his current price and when he opts out you know he is going to still want a lot of money. How many times does Bowen have to own him in the playoffs before people realize that?
In '03-'04, Wally World only played in 28 games and started a whopping zero. Sprewell is a lunatic who averaged 17 points on 40% shooting. Not my idea of an all star caliber player. Cassell is the only good player in that bunch, and even he had an unspectacular season before going down to injury against the Lakers.
You can't even compare Duncan's supporting cast.
Actually, Cassell had the best season of his career that year. He even put up 2 40 point games in the playoffs before his injury.
So, are SunsFan and LakersFan ready to say they'd take KG over TD?
'Cause until they say that, I say they're full of .
I don't know anybody who'd say that. But KG does play Timmy pretty well.
Yeah, you're right. I was thinking about the '04-'05 season. My bad.
Regardless, one good player does not make a supporting cast. And Garnett put up ungodly numbers that year too, but I don't know anybody who picked them over the Lakers, even if Cassell was healthy the whole series.
Still, by the tone of this whole thread, you'd think KG owned TD or something.
Meh. As long as Spurs are the best team, it really doesn't matter where KG goes... he still has to get by the Spurs, which are greater than the sum of their parts.
I think they could have if Cassell was healthy. I think Garnett had his opportunities, though, and his team didn't win. I mean, that was the only year his team even got out of the first round!
Spreewell was good in 2004.Regardless, one good player does not make a supporting cast.
I wouldn't cite 2004 to argue against Garnett's case... He was very good that year and received a well-deserved MVP award. But that was not the only season where there was a sufficient enough supporting cast for a supposed Tim Duncan calibur player to make noise in the postseason.
As mentioned, his first season with Cassell and Sprewell which was 03-04 they went to the Western Conference Finals, farther than the Spurs had been that year.
Now go back and look at the next years statistics, between the two of them Spree and Cassell dropped 10PPG and virtually every other stat dropped between the two of them, and Cassell missed 23 games...
Meanwhile Kevins stats were virtually identical...
don't even mention kg in the same conversation as Tim Duncan. that's an insult.
It's with good reason that people cite Duncan's Championship success, despite it sounding oversimplistic. I think in this day and age, Championships are undervalued and often taken for granted.
You can say whatever you want about the supporting casts of Duncan and Garnett, but one of those players was able to carry his team to the Championship four times while the other has made it past the first round once. One of those players is a perennial Championship contender while the other struggles to be a Postseason contender.
Regardless of who has had better teammates, that is a SUBSTANTIAL difference in success, and the fact that we can even DEBATE who has had better suporting casts shows how wide the gap is between the two players on an individual level.
Tim Duncan has won four Championships without the help of another All-NBA teammate. No one is saying Kevin Garnett isn't a great, Hall of Fame player. But Duncan is simply on another level. We're talking all-time elite here.
Duncan has a better coach, and he currently has better teammates, but we're talking about a nearly 30 game average difference in the past three years' regular seasons, and I think it takes a wild imagination to believe KG would have similar success if the roles were reversed.
If by "don't have a clue who he is" you mean that most media and fans refer to him as the greatest power forward of all-time.
And if by "everybody knows and loves" you mean that nobody refers to him as the best power forward in his own conference.
Then yes - you are correct.
Duncan and KG are both great players. That is an absolute given. Arguing one is significantly superior to the other is an exercise in futility because so many team factors are different. I'd take TD based on the fact that he's won championshiops as a team leader...there is no guesswork there, just outstanding performances in crunch time. But they are very close in so many physical and skill attributes.....picking between them comes down to individual preference. And NOBODY knows how they would work out if each had spent the last 10 years on the other's team. The one thing that is apparent is that some disgruntled Suns fan, finding yet another way to whine, has desparately looked for a topic is manipulate so that he can somehow imagine he is subtlely denigrating a great player like Tim Duncan, a sure HOFer, and by extension, the Spurs team. If there is any "owning", it's the Spurs owning the Suns. That record is very clear.
Duncan > KG, it's not Duncan >>>>> KG. That said, their supporting casts have been very different.
I would say it's at least three ">'s" in Duncan's favor.
Duncan is the best power forward of all time, although both players are all time greats (Kevin Garnett, if traded to a contender like Phoenix or Chicago, has a real chance to be the second greatest power forward of all time).
Because he hits teamates in practice, right?
TD IS one ring away from a knuckle buster
KG has never gotten along perfectly with anyone in his career.
Duncan would make Ricky Davis and Mike James a star if that were his teammates. All Duncan does is command double-teams and fundamental stuff, people know his role. As for Garnett, he does everything, so his teammates cant adjust to that easily
The man has never in his career had a decent supporting cast.
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