ooops, we broke Xray.
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost...0&postcount=84
http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/crt/2005/64337.htm
Ray has given aid and comfort to our enemies with his statements. He obviously wants us to lose in Iraq. He should put on a burka and move to Sudan because he hates America.
We were just trying to point out the ridiculousness of your accusations on liberals using your own ridiculous reasoning.
I'd much rather have you post things like the above. Something from the heart, something worth reading, other than the same old tired false rhetoric that you hear from from Drudge or Rush or O'Reilly.
Nobody wants the terrorists to win, ray. NOBODY. We are all fighting to win, and we are just trying to find the best way out of a bad situation. We do not have unlimited resources. We do not have all the time in the world to be stuck in Iraq. Simply wanting people to support the troops by shutting up is not supporting them, its killing them. Asking questions in a time of war is a necessity, not a treasonous act.
Look at Chump. Do you think he would've gotten as riled up as he did if he didn't love this country just as much as you?
Its not your lack of it, its your disdain for it.
I have to wonder why you are so sensitive about my disdain for civility.
GG25 hit it on the head. The banter is a vehicle to prove the thinking behind some of the convictions used by this admminstration, an administration you seem to vehemently support without question.
Everyone should be questioned Ray, EVERYONE. Especially our government. About everything. If I were President, I would very mcuh allow the dissenters of my policies a regular voice in my arena, be it in the WH or at a political rally.
I would encourage Americans in general, at every opporutnity, at every level of government (especially local gov) to voice their opinion with logic, reason and civility.
But, that is a just one of numerously other large reasons why I am not president (or hold any public office). What they want is control and a dumb, lazy, complicit public. And they are winning with regularity.
Question everything.
Why?
I ask the same question: why?
If you were president why would you want to be questioned.
Your were elected to represent the people. And someone
questioning you doesn't prove anything. Are you going to
be like the Clinton's and consult the pollsters before
making a decision or be like California and put everything
up to a vote. you might just well not have a government.
Say-what-the- ?! Are you kidding?!
I would embrace my criticism because I realize not everyone is going to agree with everything I do.
so I could root em out, and keep em away and ignore their existence. Or I could speak with them, address them and at the very least make them feel that I am in fact listening, but I disagree.
Or , who knows! Maybe, just maybe, they have a point! Holy ! I might be wrong. Dear God, I should go cut myself...stupid human, being wrong sometimes.
The Presidency was lost when it failed to be right all the time? Is that the message?
No, its called America. And people suggesting a civil debate with the President on political topics is some sort of counter-productive practice are the same people convinced they are absolutely correct in their world view. Theyre one-step short of tyrants.
I can't really judge or blame Bush. This whole story is similar to LBJ's Presidency, both were President during a real tough time with tribulations for the whole nation and both served up what they and their cabinet members thought were best, both recieved decisions from edgy people. In LBJ's case Macnamara and Bush's case Rove and I can't really ask for more, because you can't change the past and their decisions. Probably 50 years in the future most will look back and cut Bush some slack, because of the difficult situation he was put in, like they did LBJ.
LBJ inherited a war while GW invented one out of whole cloth
You are wrong. As two left feet.
If you can't judge or blame someone you have not been paying much attention.
For the sake of argument lets say W had good reason to invade Iraq. His complete incompetence bungled everything positive that could have come from the invasion.
Saying, oh its a tough situation doesn't excuse incompetence.
You should be demanding more from your government, especially because if we get into another ill advised war, it will be you and your friends fighting it, not me.
^^Obviously you are not a citizen of United States.
Neocons are never wrong.
Get that through your thick skull buddy!
speaking of partisan bickering, where's Yoni? It seems like I haven't encountered one of his posts in weeks.
I'm not suggesting that people shut up at all. Shouldn’t we have constructive criticism rather than the lies, hateful words, and destructive words that continually demoralize others?
You sound fragile. I don't think you're a good representation of the individuals in our military. I think they're mentally stronger.
Sweet, we're making fun of former soldiers now.
Screw you WWII vets!
Honestly, I would associate lies, hateful words, etc more with this government than I would any of its detractors.
Why, you ask?
Because detractors dont make policy, this government does.
It's the people who have media value and are invested in us losing that I am calling traitors. Are you that important? As for true American... Maybe I won't explain that one. No need to piss anyone off.... Let's just say that people should really consider the rammifications of their words.
I acknowledged a mistake and did look things up. Your point? You are the one being ridiculous by being petty about things. At least I am man enough to admit mistakes.
Lemme guess. The neocons get to decide what cons utes "lies, hateful words, and destructive words?"
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