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Like CD asked, were they supposed to walk to Baton Rouge? Those people didn't have ing cars, WC.
Has anyone been doing gang rapes at the DoubleTree Inn? Call me when more than a handful of these people are anything but inconvenienced.
A cynical person might say that Bushco rushing about in SoCal is more about face time in a key '08 state than helping people who mostly don't need it, GOP voters from the hills to be exact.
Like CD asked, were they supposed to walk to Baton Rouge? Those people didn't have ing cars, WC.
I liked that.
Everything went wrong. They were told there would be no supplies at the Superdome, to bring their own food and water. They relied on the government and Nagen and Blanco failed them. There was all kinds of transportation that could have been utilized by the city. Remember the flooded busses? there is still some states rights, and Bush could not bring in aide until Blanco formally asked for it.
All the blame lies within New Orleans and Louisiana, except maybe some silly rules that can be relaxed. I don't think they ever allowed the trailers in the flood zones. FEMA could change those rules.
If I seem uncaring about the situation, it’s just that I am sick and tires of the blame being shifted from where it belongs.
The people are responsible for themselves first.
What they cannot manage is the responsibility of the city, then county, then state, and finally the federal government. When it came to the evacuation of the people, the first responders failed miserably.
All of the blame huh? You know something for the first 4 or 5 yrs all I heard from the bushbots is what a fine leader bush was. ' he never wavers', 'means what he says', 'taking the fight to the terrorists', 'doesn't care about polls'... after all broke loose what did bush do according to the apologists in this thread? He pleaded blanco to help... he didn't want to step on louisiana's toes.... , 'his hands were tied'.. Where I come from a real leader steps up front and says ' I am in control and this is how it's going to get done' I would have had a lot more respect for bush today if he would have taken the situation over. I will save the apologists the post because We are going to hear tha it was state vs fed issue, bush would have been blasted for his arrogance.. yada... yada..
yet the same people claim that bush doesn't care what people think.... he does what he thinks is right for the country and it's protection....he does what's best for our country even if it isn't polpular..
that is why bush is at fault as much as the local and state governements.. bush isn't a leader..
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The lessons from Katrina have helped us all. CA deals with fires every damn year and they are very good at it and the Governator stepped up to the plate and got the job done. But Katrina and the CA fires are totally different and the situations different so to compare the two really doesn't mean much other than pushing ones own personal political agenda.
it absurd to deny that katrina woke the country up. this event made everyone else understandthat they needed plans, back up power, supplies for your police force, alternate communication systems for your agencies. Once the levees broke the feds needed to intervene... at that point with no electricity, no communications, no long term supplies, ... no one ever thought an entire city in this country would be devastated like new orleans was..
yet we actually have people 2 yrs after the fact claim it's a lib vs conservative issue..
I concur and the "right" is always accusing the "left" of playing politics and that is exactly what Yonivore and many others are doing. Are we not ALL human..do we not all bleed?...do we not all suffer?
What good is that when people forget Galvestan?
Galveston Hurricane of 1900
The people of New Orleans didn't learn from past disasters, why should Katrina be any different? The people of Galvestan did learn, and actually did something about it.The most dramatic effort to protect the city was its raising. Dredged sand was used to raise the city of Galveston by as much as 17 feet (5.2 m) above its previous elevation. Over 2,100 buildings were raised in the process, including the 3,000-ton St. Patrick’s Church. The seawall and raising of the island were jointly named a National Historical Civil Engineering Landmark by the American Society of Civil Engineers in 2001.
In 1915, a storm similar in strength and track to the 1900 hurricane struck Galveston. The 1915 storm brought a 12-foot (4 m) storm surge which tested the new seawall. Although 275 people lost their lives in the 1915 storm, this was a great reduction from the thousands that died in 1900.
you are just a different kind of person wc..
I don't blame the people of New Orleans for what mother nature brings. But the fact is that nobody, and I mean nobody, was prepared for what happened and the blame game does nothing, and I mean nothing, to help.
Try telling that to the liberals!
Try telling that to the conservatives.
Agreed, that's why I brought up the Galveston incident. They were at and below sea level, like New Orleans. Rather than let a disaster happen again, they filled the land, and built above sea level. New Orleans should have done the same thing rather than rely only on levies. It was always a disaster waiting to happen, and it will happen again sometime in the future. New Orleans has flooded before, yet they just don't get it.
Why cannot the people of Louisiana today be as smart as the people of 1900 Texas?
so what does this have to do with the people who were stranded for 3 or 4 days without food or water?
I explained that. They were told that food and water would not be provided, to bring their own. They were told that by Ray Nagen's people.
Again, it is a failure of the first responders.
Even the Governator could not have stopped the disaster of Katrina.
was this before or after it flooded? all of this happened after the flood. the plan was to allow people to go back home once the storm passed. the levees broke and we have americans stranded and dying on freeways for 3 days.. so it seems as though they planned for the storm but not the aftermath.. so I guess your implying that they should have had a plan for the city possibly being flooded, the city losing power and the ability to communicate, in-accessible roads and highways. they then should have had helicopters ready and massive food staging areas just in case the city flooded? you place direct blame on them but once the city lost communication and power it became a federal issue..
It's piss poor planning to use a facility as a shelter that could be made inaccessible by flood waters.
It's even worse planning to know this (New Orleans is below sea level and the Superdome is in New Orleans) and not try and mitigate the possibility you may be sending people to a shelter that will be inaccessible for 3 or 4 days.
I think you are more than likely right. If I remember
correctly the highway/roadway system leading into
N.O. was in such bad shape that they had a hard time
getting trucks in with supplies. N.O. is not in an ideal
situation regarding roads. I-10 crosses water to the
East and if I remember correctly it was really messed up
and the Roadway across the lake was almost totally
destroyed.
I bet the Governator wouldn't have put people in the Superdome without haute cuisine and free massages.
The Governator would have just told everyone to get in the choppah!!!
Almost the entire city was inaccessible.
One could figure out that the cause of the disaster lay in a negligent Army Corps of Engineers as well as the corrupt Louisiana state Levee Boards, but it's hard to put a black or purely Democrat face on those two, apparently.
Bush doesn't give a about California as it relates to the GOP. That ship sailed 20 years ago.
However you would like to measure it, San Diego is a tad bit more affluent than New Orleans. It's a bit easier to manage a crisis when most have access to their own personal vehicle and don't have to wade through a cesspool of filthy water several feet deep.
Neither does Glen Beck.
"A handful of people who hate America
...are losing their homes in a forest fire today."
-- Glenn Beck
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