Qualcomm vs. The Superdome

[Yonivore]

Civility Reigns at San Diego Stadium

SAN DIEGO (AP) - Like Hurricane Katrina evacuees two years earlier in New Orleans, thousands of people rousted by natural disaster fled to the NFL stadium here, waiting out the calamity and worrying about their homes.

The similarities ended there, as an almost festive atmosphere reigned at Qualcomm Stadium.

[Oh, Gee!!]

Sounds like very good planning. Kudos to CA.

[101A]

Sounds like very good planning. Kudos to CA.

...because they could see those fires coming for weeks!

[Oh, Gee!!]

...because they could see those fires coming for weeks!

what's your beef? They did a good job and they deserve praise.

[101A]

Sounds like very good planning. Kudos to CA.

Or we could also trY;

Republican vs. Democrat administrations.

[Yonivore]

what's your beef? They did a good job and they deserve praise.

All without the federal government having to be in control. Imagine that. a state, county, and city that takes responsibility for its citizens emergency needs and a citizenry that can roll with an emergency.

You're right Oh, Gee!!, they deserve props.

I just think it's important to point out that victimhood can weigh you down. Here's hoping Governor Jindal pulls Louisiana out of the morass of corruption and pandering to which its citizens have grown so accustomed.

[Oh, Gee!!]

All without the federal government having to be in control. Imagine that. a state, county, and city that takes responsibility for its citizens emergency needs and a citizenry that can roll with an emergency.

You're right Oh, Gee!!, they deserve props.

I just think it's important to point out that victimhood can weigh you down. Here's hoping Governor Jindal pulls Louisiana out of the morass of corruption and pandering to which its citizens have grown so accustomed.

if this is a good thing, why are you angry?

[101A]

what's your beef? They did a good job and they deserve praise.

Agreed.

But why does Bush get the majority of the blame for New Orleans?

Seems like the constant in this case is the White House - same one.

Differences?

Local government, AND the people who have been evacuated.

[Oh, Gee!!]

But why does Bush get the majority of the blame for New Orleans?

that would be because of the slow response by FEMA and his apparent lack of concern until several days had passed.

Local government, AND the people who have been evacuated.

some problems (like Katrina) are bigger than the local government, and deserve the prompt attention of the federal government

[clambake]

...because they could see those fires coming for weeks!

what you don't know about california is alot.

[Oh, Gee!!]

what you don't know about california is alot.

he also apparently thinks that coordinating food, beds, water, security, etc. simply occurs without planning.

[Yonivore]

if this is a good thing, why are you angry?

I'm not angry.

[Yonivore]

that would be because of the slow response by FEMA and his apparent lack of concern until several days had passed.

The President pleaded with Blanco to give the evacuation order three days before she did.

FEMA was staged and ready to respond and then, the levees broke on a bunch of people the city of New Orleans and the State of Louisiana failed to evacuate.

At that point, it became a rescue operation and moving shelter supplies into a city that failed to plan took a back seat to rescuing people off the rooves of their houses and busting through rooves to pull them out of their attics.

How many people died in New Orleans due to FEMA's delay?

How many people died because they failed to evacuate or were abandoned by the city?

some problems (like Katrina) are bigger than the local government, and deserve the prompt attention of the federal government

These fires have onset as rapidly as Katrina and have the potential to completely obliterate a much larger city and infrastructure than did Hurricane Katrina.

The only difference is we can't yet put out a hurricane while we can fight like to stop a fire. So, in fact, the fires have a much more complex logistical scenario than just moving people out of the path of a hurricane. No?

[FromWayDowntown]

The unwritten part of this story involves the fact that in the hours before Katrina hit, things were fairly jovial in the Superdome as well.

Problems, as subsequent reporting has shown, arose when those who had taken refuge at the Superdome were beset with hideous conditions mostly caused by the impacts of the storm -- no sewage, no fresh water, no electricity, holes in the roof that allowed rain and wind in, and other such things. People couldn't leave the Superdome, even if they had wanted to, because there was no safe place to go. Coop thousands of people into any leaking structure, tell them they can't leave, and keep them there without fresh water or sewage and no police presence, and you have the recipe for a disaster.

With the situation in San Diego, there isn't any concern about such conditions developing (at least that I'm aware of) because the fires aren't threatening to impair things like the availability of fresh water or the use of the sewage system. People will have electricity available. And, presumably, those who've sought refuge at Qualcomm Stadium are coming and going as they please -- for the most part.

The two situations are similar only inasmuch as people who are affected by a disaster are being housed in a football stadium. The similarity ends there.

On top of that, most of the world learned a valuable lesson from what happened at the Superdome during Katrina. What isn't mentioned in the clip that Yonivore cited is the fact that things in Qualcomm aren't at all like they were at the Superdome:

Aggressive efforts by disaster-response officials to bring supplies helped ensure civility. A heavy police contingent and National Guard troops with automatic weapons stood by just in case.

The New Orleans evacuees had dragged themselves through floodwaters to get to the Louisiana Superdome in 2005, and once there endured horrific conditions without food, sanitation or law enforcement.

But these evacuees drove to the expansive parking lots in the San Diego suburbs. The worst that most endured in their exodus was heavy traffic and smoky haze.

Certainly, local government has responded well to this situation, but that is undoubtedly a priority in no small part because of the lessons learned during Katrina.

And this wouldn't seem to be entirely a matter of local government mobilization -- I'm not sure that either the Mayor of San Diego or the Governor of California has the authority to unilaterally activate and deploy the National Guard, for example.

But it's always a better course to blame the victims of Katrina for their stupidity, I guess.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Bands belted out rock 'n' roll, lavish buffets served gourmet entrees, and massage therapists helped relieve the stress for those forced to flee their homes because of wildfires.

[101A]

The unwritten part of this story involves the fact that in the hours before Katrina hit, things were fairly jovial in the Superdome as well.

Problems, as subsequent reporting has shown, arose when those who had taken refuge at the Superdome were beset with hideous conditions mostly caused by the impacts of the storm -- no sewage, no fresh water, no electricity, holes in the roof that allowed rain and wind in, and other such things. People couldn't leave the Superdome, even if they had wanted to, because there was no safe place to go. Coop thousands of people into any leaking structure, tell them they can't leave, and keep them there without fresh water or sewage and no police presence, and you have the recipe for a disaster.

With the situation in San Diego, there isn't any concern about such conditions developing (at least that I'm aware of) because the fires aren't threatening to impair things like the availability of fresh water or the use of the sewage system. People will have electricity available. And, presumably, those who've sought refuge at Qualcomm Stadium are coming and going as they please -- for the most part.

The two situations are similar only inasmuch as people who are affected by a disaster are being housed in a football stadium. The similarity ends there.

On top of that, most of the world learned a valuable lesson from what happened at the Superdome during Katrina. What isn't mentioned in the clip that Yonivore cited is the fact that things in Qualcomm aren't at all like they were at the Superdome:



Certainly, local government has responded well to this situation, but that is undoubtedly a priority in no small part because of the lessons learned during Katrina.

But it's always a better course to blame the victims of Katrina for their stupidity, I guess.
And this wouldn't seem to be entirely a matter of local government mobilization -- I'm not sure that either the Mayor of San Diego or the Governor of California has the authority to unilaterally activate and deploy the National Guard, for example.

No water, sewage or a good roof?

For thousands of residents stranded in a COASTAL city?

I think bad planning pretty much sums the whole thing up, doesn't it?

Granted, the people involved in California would probably be little happier in the SuperDome environment; but those same people probably would have, and apparently HAVE, demanded more from their govt. (of the people, by the people) in being prepared for an inevitible event!

If it is the local government's fault; then it is the people's fault.

[Yonivore]

The unwritten part of this story involves the fact that in the hours before Katrina hit, things were fairly jovial in the Superdome as well.

Problems, as subsequent reporting has shown, arose when those who had taken refuge at the Superdome were beset with hideous conditions mostly caused by the impacts of the storm -- no sewage, no fresh water, no electricity, holes in the roof that allowed rain and wind in, and other such things. People couldn't leave the Superdome, even if they had wanted to, because there was no safe place to go. Coop thousands of people into any leaking structure, tell them they can't leave, and keep them there without fresh water or sewage and no police presence, and you have the recipe for a disaster.

Let's see...who was it that designated the Superdome a shelter and then failed to supply it as one?

Yep. Ray Nagin.

With the situation in San Diego, there isn't any concern about such conditions developing (at least that I'm aware of) because the fires aren't threatening to impair things like the availability of fresh water or the use of the sewage system. People will have electricity available. And, presumably, those who've sought refuge at Qualcomm Stadium are coming and going as they please -- for the most part.

Maybe you shouldn't designate a sports arena as a shelter with a Cat 3 hurricane bearing down...particularly if you're not going to plan for sanitation and power and food needs.

The two situations are similar only inasmuch as people who are affected by a disaster are being housed in a football stadium. The similarity ends there.

Not really. Qualcomm is prepared for the influx...The Superdome was not.

On top of that, most of the world learned a valuable lesson from what happened at the Superdome during Katrina. What isn't mentioned in the clip that Yonivore cited is the fact that things in Qualcomm aren't at all like they were at the Superdome. Certainly, local government has responded well to this situation, but that is undoubtedly a priority in no small part because of the lessons learned during Katrina.

Maybe. Maybe not.

But it's always a better course to blame the victims of Katrina for their stupidity, I guess.

I'm not blaming the victims. I'm blaming the Mayor and Govenor for failing to properly act on the victims behalves.

And this wouldn't seem to be entirely a matter of local government mobilization -- I'm not sure that either the Mayor of San Diego or the Governor of California has the authority to unilaterally activate and deploy the National Guard, for example.

The Govenor can mobilize the National Guard...unilaterally.

[clambake]

Hey, everyone is missing something important.

It's time to give our President a little credit here.

Obviously, someone told him it's a bad thing to go to a golf resort in Arizona during a major disaster. I know what you're thinking, it's a no-brainer for even the mentally challanged, but this is "W" we're talking about. So let's give 3 cheers to a guy that might be listening to his handlers.

[George Gervin's Afro]

well the situations are so similar this comaprison is valid one.

[Yonivore]

well the situations are so similar this comaprison is valid one.

Yes, it is.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Yes, it is.

wildfires = broken levees

wildfires = worst national disaster in history

wildfire = flooding of an entire city..

I can see the comparisons

[Yonivore]

wildfires = broken levees

Yes.

wildfires = worst national disaster in history

The cost of the wildfires could equal -- or exceed -- that of Hurrican Katrina before they are extinguished. Yes.

In terms of human loss, Katrina isn't even close. Just over 1,800 people -- over the entire path of Katrina (not just in New Orleans) -- versus over 9,000 in the 1900 Hurricane. Yes, it was one of the five deadliest storms but, in terms of national disasters, September 11, eclipses it in terms of lives lost and economic damage on a national level.

wildfire = flooding of an entire city..

Burn it down, flood it out -- yes, equal.

I can see the comparisons

Yes, you can...it's the accidental emoticon that's throwing everyone off.

[ChumpDumper]

Yoni hates black people.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Yoni hates black people.

he just may after comparing a wildfire to a flood.. that dude is losing it..

[Oh, Gee!!]

In terms of human loss, Katrina isn't even close. Just over 1,800 people

yeah GGA, it was just 1800 people. Don't be such a crybaby.

Yes, it was one of the five deadliest storms but, in terms of national disasters, September 11, eclipses it in terms of lives lost and economic damage on a national level.

Try to keep up, Yoni. We're comparing natural disasters here.