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    God help me...

    courtesy of phyzik:

    CBA Art. XIII Sec. 2... a) At no time shall there be any agreements or transactions of any kind (whether disclosed or undisclosed to the NBA), express or implied, oral or written, or promises, undertakings, representations, commitments, inducements, assurances of intent, or understandings of any kind (whether disclosed or undisclosed to the NBA), between a player (or any person or en y controlled by, related to, or acting with authority on behalf of, such player) and any Team (or Team Affiliate)...

    Sorry, but this spells it out perfectly. I don't see how it can be argued that Stackhouse, by commenting that he'd be back, didn't offer assurances of intent to return to a team that only included him in the deal to cir vent the League's trade rules.

    Everything about his statements seems to violate this. Whether it's his right to choose a team in 30 days, his comments suggest a decision has already been made thanks to, and you can take your pick, agreements (expressed, or implied), promises, commitments, assurances of intent, or understanding (disclosed or undisclosed) between he, the player, and them, the team.
    And please tell me how you can prove that it was an agreement between Stack and the Mavs, and NOT HIS FREE WILL TO SIGN WITH THEM?. I think you have to provide the reasonable doubt here, because the burden of proof is clearely on your side.
    What if Stack was saying that to drive up his price for other teams, meaning that he really wants to be in Dallas so that if you wanna get him you have to overpay him?

    At the very least I am happy that we both agree that the issue is not a Nets-Mavs agreement, since it can't specifically enforce Stack of anything.

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    And please tell me how you can prove that it was an agreement between Stack and the Mavs, and NOT HIS FREE WILL TO SIGN WITH THEM?. I think you have to provide the reasonable doubt here, because the burden of proof is clearely on your side.
    What if Stack was saying that to drive up his price for other teams, meaning that he really wants to be in Dallas so that if you wanna get him you have to overpay him?

    At the very least I am happy that we both agree that the issue is not a Nets-Mavs agreement, since it can't specifically enforce Stack of anything.
    This is not a court of law....the league doesnt care...they dont want the Mavs to win

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    You people are making it sound like Stackhouse is a robot with no free will.

    Ya ever think that Stackhouse might know the rules of a buyout on his own? And that given his contract and the Nets unwillingness to take on multi-year contracts, the possibility of a buyout after the trade was highly likely any way you look at it?

    That maybe Stackhouse was thinking he might demand a buyout on his own if they didn't? And that it made the most fiscal sense for NJ to just give him that buyout?

    And that maybe, just maybe, Stackhouse decided that if it happened, he would decide on his own free will to return to Dallas.

    There is zero solid evidence that the league can link together to get from Point A to Point B in their witch hunt. Unfortunately, solid evidence isn't necessary when Fuehrer Stern is involved.

  4. #129
    Don't stop believin' Dex's Avatar
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    It really depends on what your definition of the word 'is' is.

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    It really depends on what your definition of the word 'is' is.
    Or 'to'.

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    My guess is JMarkJohns has a higher IQ in his brain than you have in your finger.

    My guess is that you are a ing re .


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    I get that you're clinging to hope that this source isn't a reliable one, but this story has been out long enough that if it weren't true, I'm sure the NBA would have said such by now.

    The NBA probably is taking an official stance on the issue until a trade actually happens. No reason to state that Stackhouse can't return to Dallas if h never leaves in the first place.
    I'd say they wouldn't take an "official" stance until Stackhouse tries to return to the Mavs. But they've probably told the Mavs what that stance would be.

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    And please tell me how you can prove that it was an agreement between Stack and the Mavs, and NOT HIS FREE WILL TO SIGN WITH THEM?. I think you have to provide the reasonable doubt here, because the burden of proof is clearely on your side.
    What if Stack was saying that to drive up his price for other teams, meaning that he really wants to be in Dallas so that if you wanna get him you have to overpay him?

    At the very least I am happy that we both agree that the issue is not a Nets-Mavs agreement, since it can't specifically enforce Stack of anything.
    Proof not necessary. A better agument than Stack/Mavs can make is all that is necessary. We're not talking a court of law here, we're talking arbitration (as stated in the same section of the CBA quoted several times).

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    does anyone else see whats wrong with this?
    Along with being a mavsfan, I am also a comedian. I forgot what movie that line came from but it was fricken hilarious.

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    Can't Cubes just give one of the other players a contract extension and make it so they are getting 3 million more this year?

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    Proof not necessary. A better agument than Stack/Mavs can make is all that is necessary. We're not talking a court of law here, we're talking arbitration (as stated in the same section of the CBA quoted several times).
    And how can you make a better argument that it's a prearranged deal, and not Stack deciding on his own free will that he wants to come back to the one team he has been able to chase a championship with.

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    Can't Cubes just give one of the other players a contract extension and make it so they are getting 3 million more this year?
    I think extensions can't be signed during the season.

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    with Pop once...

    with Pop TWICE....

    Trade Committee es!

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    And how can you make a better argument that it's a prearranged deal, and not Stack deciding on his own free will that he wants to come back to the one team he has been able to chase a championship with.
    Depends on who the arbitrator is. If it was just about chasing a championship, why limit it to the Mavs when he could easily be the difference maker on the Lakers, Suns, or Spurs in the West, or Detroit or Boston in the east.

    "I ain't going nowhere", besides being a grammatical murder, can easily be the centerpiece of the argument that he had a deal.

    Like I said, it's all about convincing the arbitrator, if it came down to it, and Stack stupidly gave the league an argument.

    I could easily believe it was just Stack knowing he'd be bought out and being unwilling to go anywhere else and was certain the Mavs would offer him a new contract.

    At the same time, with the amount of certainty he used, it's easier to believe he was told he'd be resigned, or at least that the Mavs would make an offer, either of which violates the rules in the CBA.

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    Proof not necessary. A better agument than Stack/Mavs can make is all that is necessary. We're not talking a court of law here, we're talking arbitration (as stated in the same section of the CBA quoted several times).
    So how are they going to beat this argument?

    "Mr. Stackhouse, did you at any time have any knowlege of a pre-arranged deal to buy you out so that in 30 days you could sign back with Dallas?"

    "No"

    "Thank you for your time"

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    "I ain't going nowhere", besides being a grammatical murder, can easily be the centerpiece of the argument that he had a deal.
    And technically "I ain't going nowhere" means "I am going somewhere" which means he told us all along that he had no intention of staying in Dallas. Thank God Stackhouse committed grammatical murder.

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    Seriously, can that be used? With the double negative, Stackhouse gave himself a huge out here if we're gonna go on technicalities.

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    So how are they going to beat this argument?

    "Mr. Stackhouse, did you at any time have any knowlege of a pre-arranged deal to buy you out so that in 30 days you could sign back with Dallas?"

    "No"

    "Thank you for your time"
    What do you not get about a he-said/she-said argument?

    He would have to have an explanation on why he would say the things he said if he didn't have an agreement, etc.

    And the arbitrator would have to believe him more than whoever spoke for the NBA.

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    Seriously, can that be used? With the double negative, Stackhouse gave himself a huge out here if we're gonna go on technicalities.
    You're rationalizing to and back. Are you that desperate about it?

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    What do you not get about a he-said/she-said argument?

    He would have to have an explanation on why he would say the things he said if he didn't have an agreement, etc.

    And the arbitrator would have to believe him more than whoever spoke for the NBA.
    That's great. There's been about 100 outs already mentioned in this thread that really can't be disputed. Dallas is just fine.

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    What do you not get about a he-said/she-said argument?

    He would have to have an explanation on why he would say the things he said if he didn't have an agreement, etc.

    And the arbitrator would have to believe him more than whoever spoke for the NBA.

    That's exactly why many of us think it's ing re ed.

    What if they block they trade and nothing was done illegally? Still in the spirit of the rule?

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    You're rationalizing to and back. Are you that desperate about it?
    what does "I ain't going nowhere" mean? Are you that desperate?

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    "Mr. Arbitrator, my only mistake was my poor use of the English language. Only recently have I learned the 'double-negative' rule. My Grandma always told me that 'ain't' ain't a word. What I mean to say was 'I am going somewhere", namely, New Jersey."

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    ^sometimes mono pisses me off on the way he trash talks, but there are times, like these, when he makes me laugh a lot

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    That's great. There's been about 100 outs already mentioned in this thread that really can't be disputed. Dallas is just fine.
    dude, give it up..I cannot remember the last time Stern changed his mind on something. George is looking out for himself (nothing wrong with that) and Stack just is not very smart. I cannot think of any team more opposite than the spurs than the mavs..

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