Some perspective on Manu and Kobe

[Man In Black]

Exactly that's how you can tell who the transcendent players really are. Change the cast of characters and they still win. Duncan is the only one on the Spurs that fits that mold IMHO. Shaq definitely fits that mold. I believe when all is said and done Kobe will fit that mold as well.

There are certainly leadership traits and qualities that Kobe doesn't have at this point that a guy like Duncan does. I think Kobe still has a ways to go in that regard, but he's headed the right way. The next 5 years will IMHO cement Kobe's legacy in this league as one of the best to ever lace em up.

So you're saying that Kobe has a ways to go to catch up to Duncan, but you still say that Kobe is the best player in the L right?
I would say that he is the best PERIMETER player in the L, but no one has more effect on the game than Tim Duncan.

[DazedAndConfused]

So you're saying that Kobe has a ways to go to catch up to Duncan, but you still say that Kobe is the best player in the L right?
I would say that he is the best PERIMETER player in the L, but no one has more effect on the game than Tim Duncan.

It's impossible for a guard player to impact the game on both ends the way a C/PF can. That's why the comparison is really unfair IMHO.

[Medvedenko]

Here's my 2 cents.....

Just leave it alone....who cares.

[RobinsontoDuncan]

Here's my 2 cents.....

Just leave it alone....who cares.

Yup.... yeah, that about sums up my position

[Cherry]

And Manu has NEVER had to play for a subpar team. He's always had a championship team around him.

Italy, Viola Reggio Calabria team

Some Players:

Emanuel Ginobili
Carlos Delfino
Joe Bryant (padre di Kobe Bryant)
Alexander "Sasha" Volkov
Hugo Sconochini
Michael Young
Alejandro Montecchia

[slayermin]

Kobe is all class.

[spursfan09]

Put Manu on the Laker team of the last few years and they dont even make the playoffs. He's never been on a crappy team before.

a Spur fan can easily argue this. We possibly would not have 3 more championships without Manu Ginobili.

[spursfan09]

The Spurs fans definitely have an inferiority complex because the media and public at large don't give a about their team.

Well Laker fans must be jealous to constantly come over to a Spurs board and post it in over and over again. Obviously you care enough about the Spurs to post.

[spursfan09]

Ok, back to the point. Manu is good but not to the point that you small market fools make him out to be. Manu is a good player in a great team. Now Duncan aka The Big Fundamental, The Quiet Assassin is a basketball god playing with mere mortals.

Ok Manu has TD.

Kobe doens't have Shaq. Is that why Kobe can't get to the finals, no shaq?

[spursfan09]

KOBE is this seasons MVP, Will earn the Finals MVP & own the Larry O'Brian Trophy.


Book It!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TwoHandJam]

The Spurs fans definitely have an inferiority complex because the media and public at large don't give a about their team.

The Lakers fans definitely have an inferiority complex because they feel compelled to start threads affirming that Kobe > Manu on a small market team's message board even though the media and public at large fellate their team constantly.

[50 cent]

Let's be real here....Manu isn't in the same ballpark as Kobe. He isn't even playing the same game.

And Church of Manu people, I love Manu.

[spursfan09]

Let's be real here....Manu isn't in the same ballpark as Kobe. He isn't even playing the same game.

And Church of Manu people, I love Manu.

Thats what most of us are saying. It's just Laker fans must not have very good reading comprehension.

[m33p0]

Manu is the best player in the league when he plays like he is the best player in the league. case in point: last game against the cavaliers or the that particular game against the mavs. you can all argue about stats and all. i'm sure your high school math teachers would love that.

The Lakers fans definitely have an inferiority complex because they feel compelled to start threads affirming that Kobe > Manu on a small market team's message board even though the media and public at large fellate their team constantly.

they want total obedience.

[Obstructed_View]

As a fan of a small market team, I keep forgetting that Manu's greatness hinges on his ability to score 80 points on 46 shots in a blowout against basement dwellers. Next time Manu scores 8 straight in the fourth quarter of a playoff game to seal it I'll remember to choke back a tear.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

Manu's midrange jumper is getting deadlier with each game...he's closing the gap at least

[mathbzh]

This will probably trigger huge complaints from the Church of Tony.

I am not a member of the church of Tony... but he is not yet 26, has 3 rings, a finals MVP, 2 ASG, will retired as one of the youngest starting PG ever and has improved something on his game every season since he came into the league.
If he retires today, he is not in the HOF but in a few years who knows.

[Bianconera]

Kobe may be the MVP, but there is only one Manu and he is a winner at EVERY LEVEL.[/QUOTE]

Can't agree more!!! They just played the different roles.

However, I think Manu and Kobe have quite a lot in common.
Great flexibility of the body, various ways to score, mysterious breakthrough...
Both of them respect each other.
It's hard to tell which one is better. We are lucky to have both of them in the League.

[mathbzh]

There is one fact speaking for Manu, switched with Kobe he would NEVER have worked to send Shaq away from LA... and start whinning a few years later for he doesn't have the supporting cast to go with his talent.
Manu is the ultimate team player and this may close the talent gap between them.

[ATXSPUR]

The Lakers fans definitely have an inferiority complex because they feel compelled to start threads affirming that Kobe > Manu on a small market team's message board even though the media and public at large fellate their team constantly.

I wonder why dazed hasn't responded to this post.

[DazedAndConfused]

This thread isn't about who's a better teammate or human being. It's not even about who has more rings and championships. It's about who is the better basketball player on an individual level.

In this regard, Kobe is quite simply on another level compared to Manu.

[mathbzh]

This thread isn't about who's a better teammate or human being. It's not even about who has more rings and championships. It's about who is the better basketball player on an individual level.

In this regard, Kobe is quite simply on another level compared to Manu.

Who are you to decide what this thread is about?
I never spoke about human being. I don't care if a player is an asshole (actually I care a little bit) while he is doing the best for his team. If you don't understand that being a good teammate is a part of being a better player, I can't help you.

That being said, I agree with you that Kobe is the more talented player in the NBA. He is as good as a perimeter player not named Jodan can be. Even as a teammate I feel he has changed and is less selfish. I even hope he will receive the MVP this season and lead the Lakers to the WCF against the Spurs (Bruce will kill him once again but this is another storie
)

[ChumpDumper]

It's about who is going to be inducted into the NBA Hall of Fame!!!!

[DazedAndConfused]

It's about who is going to be inducted into the NBA Hall of Fame!!!!

Let me guess......you're fat, ugly, and were picked on in school.

[smeagol]

It's about who is going to be inducted into the NBA Hall of Fame!!!!

Manu will not be a hall of famer. He has done in the NBA!