***** Official All-Inclusive 2020 Election Night Thread *****

[spurraider21]

Or yourself

kodak is communist for accepting a government contract

[hater]

I’m lost fellas but is Trump gonna win? It looks like he is. And that the Republicans are also taking the Senate.

I still stick w my prediction. Trump winnin

But biden going this far is a bit shocking.

[hater]

kodak is communist for accepting a government contract

See you have no idea

[Isitjustme?]

Amazes me how Republicans keep being viewed as better on the economy even though we always have deep recessions under GOP rule that Democrats have to pull the nation out of. And then as soon as they do Republicans get voted back into power.

I dont get it either. They lost 82-17 on economy according to exit polls

[baseline bum]

I’m lost fellas but is Trump gonna win? It looks like he is. And that the Republicans are also taking the Senate.

Looks like an ever so slight edge to Biden with a GOP senate as a total lock. Looks like Biden might hang on in WI and win MI too. PA I don't see how, Trump has run up the score so much. Slight edge to Biden in NV but the margin is razor thin right now. God knows on GA but NYT is projecting a small Biden advantage. NC looks like it'll go to Trump but Biden still has an outside chance according to NYT. So basically who the knows?

[Will Hunting]

Democrats also need to give up on this idea that they can convert Republicans. Trump won like 94% of Republicans. The 50 million dollars Democratic donors gave to the Lincoln Project could have gone to a much better cause, and Biden spent way too much time trying to appeal to conservatives vs trying to turn out the base. It should be abundantly clear now that running a moderate and thinking he’s going to build this wide coalition of voters from both sides is a total wetdream.

[Warlord23]

So what’s happening? Is Cocaine Mitch still running the country?

Trump's night went off just as he planned, except that John McCain's ghost is ing him over in AZ which looks like it will decide the election now that MI and WI seem to be tilting back to Biden

Moscow Mitch is probably ecstatic that he can go back to doing what he does best - obstructing a Dem president

[InRareForm]

Biden -400 to win on bovada

[baseline bum]

Democrats also need to give up on this idea that they can convert Republicans. Trump won like 94% of Republicans. The 50 million dollars Democratic donors gave to the Lincoln Project could have gone to a much better cause, and Biden spent way too much time trying to appeal to conservatives vs trying to turn out the base. It should be abundantly clear now that running a moderate and thinking he’s going to build this wide coalition of voters from both sides is a total wetdream.

I'm so sick of us nominating these ing milquetoasts who excite no one. But the Democrats won't learn. Rahm Emanuel will still go out there and say these ers win and the completely out of touch party elites will nod their heads in agreement. Whether or not Biden squeaks by with 270 this election is a punch to the nuts of the Democrat base.

[Will Hunting]

In addition to immigration, I think the Dems need to agree to disagree on social issues. It makes no sense to have a one-size-fits-all policy on guns, feminism and other social issues. What works in California won't work in the midwest. They need to adapt like the Republicans have - R candidates in Blue states are strongly anti-Trump while the Red-state Rs can't wait to suck him off

Yeah agreed on this. Dems need to stop making pro choice a required stance for all of their candidates. They need to start running pro gun and pro life populist senate candidates in red states the way Republicans run candidates like Larry Hogan and Charlie Baker in blue states

[Rummpd]

The hispanic base still majorly breaks for Dems, but Hispanic-Americans do have their own form of "hick." Here in California, the hispanics I know who like Trump are fully Americanized, but he appeals to them through his immigration stance and "tell it like it is" bluster, which I guess we can call machismo, but it's more similar to how hick voters describe what they like about Trump. That "he's real and doesn't hold back."

I'd say the Cubans are probably more attracted to the "machismo" idea.

Honestly this is not the full story I have a Hispanic relative from Central America and she and all her friends from all over the region are very well educated and most went red as they come from countries with socialistic or dictator type rule and believe in having as much autonomy and individual freedom as possible. This is in a blue state but they all vote red. They are not anti-immigrant but very anti-illegal immigrant.

[Isitjustme?]

especially for hispanics that dont even know what socialism means, like yourself

Its a dumb label to ever embrace in the US and gains nothing tbh. Especially since many immigrants ran from here from governments calling themselves socialist all through the 20th century. Vietnamese immigrants still trend way redder than other Asian groups for the same reason as Cubans

[Will Hunting]

The fact the socialist label clearly worked in scaring people away from Biden just shows the Republicans are always going be able to convince 40% of the country that the Democrat is a socialist, even when he’s clearly not. The Democrats need to stop moving to the right in an attempt to combat right wing feat mongering about socialism.

[hater]

The fact the socialist label clearly worked in scaring people away from Biden just shows the Republicans are always going be able to convince 40% of the country that the Democrat is a socialist, even when he’s clearly not. The Democrats need to stop moving to the right in an attempt to combat right wing feat mongering about socialism.

Welcome to latin america as thats been happening for decades. And its a US talking point btw

Best thing demo s can do is do what Bernie did. Call themselves socialists and take a stand

[Will Hunting]

Welcome to latin america as thats been happening for decades. And its a US talking point btw

Best thing demo s can do is do what Bernie did. Call themselves socialists and take a stand

I would prefer someone just run on Bernie’s platform without self labeling as a socialist and when people call him a socialist say “If you want to call me a socialist for providing universal healthcare and better safety nets for Americans fine but I’d rather talk about policy than labels”

[Isitjustme?]

The fact the socialist label clearly worked in scaring people away from Biden just shows the Republicans are always going be able to convince 40% of the country that the Democrat is a socialist, even when he’s clearly not. The Democrats need to stop moving to the right in an attempt to combat right wing feat mongering about socialism.

This is a big attempt to try and pretend it wouldnt have worked even better on Bernie or other progressives plus he would have lost the gains with old people Biden made (exit polls show him losing them by 2 points which is the best showing since 1996). Hard to hold other things constant and just assume they will stay the same then just pick up numbers in one group. Just avoid the label. FDR was virulently anti-socialist in his retoric due to its toxicity then and he passed a broad leftwing agenda. Same with LBJ who started a world war almost to wipe out what people considered socialism.

[hater]

I would prefer someone just run on Bernie’s platform without self labeling as a socialist and when people call him a socialist say “If you want to call me a socialist for providing universal healthcare and better safety nets for Americans fine but I’d rather talk about policy than labels”

Maybe..

I would have lived to see a debate between bernie and trump to see what happens. My money would be on bernie.

Oh well we are ed now

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Gotta think Harris getting the VP nod turned off a lot of latinos too. But that might be the only thing that saves them in Michigan. Doesn't look like it's going to in PA. Man the Democrats are so ed. This election was a ing wide-open layup with Trump crashing this nation the last eight months and best case now is one of the most narrow electoral wins we'll have seen.

They really ed up not putting Castro (for lack of a better name Latino of relevance) into a major speaking DNC role. Tons of people on the left called out they needed to throw hispanics a bone. Instead of letting AOC rally up the bernie bros who never mattered anyways. Hindsight i guess

[baseline bum]

I don't see where the Democrats go after tonight. Even if Biden wins who the do they run in 2024 and not get massacred? Harris won't stand a chance if Trump or Uday runs and the Democratic bench is horrible. The Democrats are like the Lakers if you took away LeBron and AD.

[Will Hunting]

This is a big attempt to try and pretend it wouldnt have worked even better on Bernie or other progressives plus he would have lost the gains with old people Biden made (exit polls show him losing them by 2 points which is the best showing since 1996). Hard to hold other things constant and just assume they will stay the same then just pick up numbers in one group. Just avoid the label. FDR was virulently anti-socialist in his retoric due to its toxicity then and he passed a broad leftwing agenda. Same with LBJ who started a world war almost to wipe out what people considered socialism.

I’m definitely not for a candidate calling himself a socialist the way Bernie did, I’m saying Dems shouldn’t let it dictate their policy agenda. Bernie also start embracing the woke way too much in 2020 vs. 2016, if there’s one thing moderates and progressives can agree on after this election it’s that we really need to back off the woke . The days of Elizabeth Warren spending a full 2 minute debate response talking about how she’d give transgender inmates free sex change surgery need to be over.

[johnsmith]

Lol....I wonder how the stimulus talks will go after all this?

[Isitjustme?]

I’m definitely not for a candidate calling himself a socialist the way Bernie did, I’m saying Dems shouldn’t let it dictate their policy agenda. Bernie also start embracing the woke way too much in 2020 vs. 2016, if there’s one thing moderates and progressives can agree on after this election it’s that we really need to back off the woke . The days of Elizabeth Warren spending a full 2 minute debate response talking about how she’d give transgender inmates free sex change surgery need to be over.

Bernie was very smart for ignoring iden y politics but I'm not sure about the next-gen progressives. That video of AOC lecturing her white boyfriend about how all the ways of his white privilege is cringeworthy as and undoubtedly not the way to go.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

I don't see where the Democrats go after tonight. Even if Biden wins who the do they run in 2024 and not get massacred? Harris won't stand a chance if Trump or Uday runs and the Democratic bench is horrible. The Democrats are like the Lakers if you took away LeBron and AD.

To be fair people said that about the GOP after 2008 and look what happened.
Prob ripe for another cult of personality that comes up and says the right empty to resonate with all the empty people.

[spurraider21]

I’m definitely not for a candidate calling himself a socialist the way Bernie did, I’m saying Dems shouldn’t let it dictate their policy agenda. Bernie also start embracing the woke way too much in 2020 vs. 2016, if there’s one thing moderates and progressives can agree on after this election it’s that we really need to back off the woke . The days of Elizabeth Warren spending a full 2 minute debate response talking about how she’d give transgender inmates free sex change surgery need to be over.

i disagree that trans issues = wokeness

[Will Hunting]

Bernie was very smart for ignoring iden y politics but I'm not sure about the next-gen progressives. That video of AOC lecturing her white boyfriend about how all the ways of his white privilege is cringeworthy as and undoubtedly not the way to go.

Bernie ignored iden y politics in 2016 but he fell into the trap in 2020. Imo it was one of the reasons why his primary performance dropped off.