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Isn't Dalembert one of those stinky cheeses from France?
So the Spurs trade their #28 for the Suns' 2008 1st round pick, their #33 for the Grizzlies' 2012 2nd round pick, and use their #58 on Siaosi Tupou, a 7'10" center from the Kingdom of Tonga.
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Isn't Dalembert one of those stinky cheeses from France?
Nice info. Durant is bigger than I thought. He could be listed at 6'11 in the NBA. That's pretty scary given his skill set.
The funniest thing of all is Jared Jordan has a 14.5 inches no-step vertical
That's ridiculously low. The second worst I see is 23 inches. The guy is 6-foot and 183 pounds and he can't get up at all? You're average WNBA player jumps higher. That's my same height and it was my playing weight and I could jump higher in 6th grade.
This guy better have more skills than Steve Nash because he seriously jumps lower than Rasho.
Holy crap Oden has a 32 inch no-step vertical and a 3/4th court time of 3.27? That guy is going to be a monster. 6-foot-11 without shoes with the athleticism of a small forward and the speed of a point guard?
Holy I can't jump for and I still got like a 19 inch no step vertNice info. Durant is bigger than I thought. He could be listed at 6'11 in the NBA. That's pretty scary given his skill set.
The funniest thing of all is Jared Jordan has a 14.5 inches no-step vertical
That's ridiculously low. The second worst I see is 23 inches. The guy is 6-foot and 183 pounds and he can't get up at all? You're average WNBA player jumps higher. That's my same height and it was my playing weight and I could jump higher in 6th grade.
This guy better have more skills than Steve Nash because he seriously jumps lower than Rasho.
this was the starting point of the whole idea that they might be interestd in Scola.
Davis (38) might retire (even if he said he plans to play one more year) Webber (34) is FA and questionable, Nazr is on the trading block, McDyess (33) has a PO, will likely be back, but also likley just for the next season. if Nazr, Webber and Davis are gone, Wallace might be moved to the center spot, if they can't bring in another decent center.
Maxiell is a strong man and hard worker, but has no offensive skills to talk about. much like Malik, but with even less ball handling skills and very limited understanding of the game.
Johnson is FA, he has played a combined 11 games in his 2 seasons with the Pistons. he is even more raw than Maxiell. if they bring him back, it will take at lest another 2 seasons, till he can provide some impact. especially when talking about the impact a contender team needs.
of course the Pistons need to do something with their frontcourt this year, if they don't want that the window closes. (of course it won't be a aquisation of Scola that solves all their problems, just one little step).
there are lot's of speculations in the Detroit press and among the fans. trades for Zach Randolph and Shawn Marion are rumored. Nazr is the odd man out, seems like noone wants him anymore, but also Sheed is often mentioned as the one who should be traded.
however. Detroit is anything but settled on the PF and C spot.
Some measurements for players in Spurs range :
SF :
Jared Dudley
Height with shoes : 6' 7.25''
Wingspan : 6' 7''
Weight : 219
Morris Almond (last year results)
Height with shoes : 6' 6''
Wingspan : 6' 10''
Weight : 214
Derrick Byars
Height with shoes : N/A
Wingspan : N/A
Weight : N/A
Alando Tucker
Height with shoes : N/A
Wingspan : N/A
Weight : N/A
Dominic McGuire
Height with shoes : 6' 8.25''
Wingspan : 6' 10.5''
Weight : 220
Demetris Nichols
Height with shoes : 6' 7.5''
Wingspan : 7' 0.25''
Weight : 211
Reyshawn Terry
Height with shoes : 6' 7.5''
Wingspan : 6' 10''
Weight : 222
Trey Johnson
Height with shoes : 6' 5.75''
Wingspan : 6' 5''
Weight : 216
the measurements and athletic testing numbers are fun and interesting to read as usual (and there should be some doubts as usual)
I don't think the top prospects tried very hard in the athletic test, especially not Durant. (he obviously didn't at the sprint and agility test. he isn't slower than most centers)
Dudley didn't do great, as expected, but his numbers also don't look as if there was that much of an athletic deficit compared to other SFs. (see Julian Wright)
(Dudley doesn't have a good wingspan, but a decent standing reach)
Conley's numbers are impressive. wow. quickest player and 2nd best leaper.
(his numbers are much better than those of Chris Paul two years ago)
Nick Young has a no step vertical of 39.5"! that's 4" more than the 2nd best (Conley) maybe the most impressive number of all athletical test numbers.
(wonder why his max. vertical was only 1" more. usually there is a difference of 5").
also impressive: Nichols was 10.39 in the lane agility test! I guess that's the best number of the last 3 years.
it was reported, that he displays nice lateral quickness, but this number makes him look like a living pinball.
I wonder why we've not been talking more about him.
he is an outstanding shooter (best shooter at the camp), has nice lenght and wingspan, is a decent rebounder and seems to have all tools that are needed to also make him a great defender. he will be available at 28 for sure, but likely also at 33. any thoughts?
Some measurements for players in Spurs range :
PG :
Taurean Green
Height with shoes : 6' 0.75''
Wingspan : 6' 2.25''
Weight : 173
Petteri Koponen
Height with shoes : N/A
Wingspan : N/A
Weight : N/A
Zabian Dowdell
Height with shoes : 6' 3''
Wingspan : 6' 10''
Weight : 191
Bobby Brown
Height with shoes : 6' 1.75''
Wingspan : 6' 4''
Weight : 170
Gabe Pruitt
Height with shoes : N/A
Wingspan : N/A
Weight : N/A
Aaron Brooks
Height with shoes : 5' 11.75''
Wingspan : 6' 4''
Weight : 161
Jared Jordan
Height with shoes : 6' 1.75''
Wingspan : 6' 0''
Weight : 183
Any chance the spurs would want to take a look at Stephane Lasme? An amazing shotblocker, who is a bit undersized for his position but he has a 7' 2''
wingspan (better than Noah) and is a good athlete and if worked on could really develope into a nice player on offense as well. Nichols and Dudley(if he slims down, seems to run a bit on the slow side) i would welcome as well. I'd love to have Young, but he's out of our reach.
Some things to note without to forget that height/combine doesn't tell the whole story :
For the SF :
Nichols, Terry and Mcguire are very close body wise : 6'8" with long arms, 210/220lbs and with quite similar results at the combine test.
Dudley is behind them : he is less athletic and has shorter arms but he is still decent. he seems quick enough to play SF.
Trey Johnson is likely too short to play SF in nba.
For the PG :
Dowdell is big enough to play SG. A 6'10" wingspan is quite impressive.
Brown has a quite good size for a PG and is very athletic.
Green is quite small and his combine results are average. He is just 1" bigger than Aaron Brooks, he has shorter arms than Brooks and is way less athletic. You can wonder if Green size and average athletic abilities will hurt him in nba.
Holy crap Oden has a 32 inch no-step vertical and a 3/4th court time of 3.27? That guy is going to be a monster. 6-foot-11 without shoes with the athleticism of a small forward and the speed of a point guard?
BTW, maybe we can trade Scola to portland for the first pick.
They don't like Zach Randolph and they will need a PF if they trade him.
After all, Scola is more nba ready than NCAA freshmen like Oden or Durant.
It's camembert!
I would rather consider Carl Laundry than Lasme.
he was one of the nice surprises of the measurements. for the whole year it was mentioned, that he will be undersized for an NBA PF, but at 6-7.75 (6-8.5 in shoes) and at 248 lbs he isn't huge, but quite not as much undersized as usually mentioned. and his athletic results were excellent.
he played great at the NCAA tournament and was the one who kicked Arizona out of the tounamnet. also against the Gators he had a very good game and gave Noah and Horford quite some trouble and kept Perdue in the game for longer than expected.
I never had him on my list for the no.33 pick (like Hill or Fazekas), because I also bought the to undersized and not athletic enough argument. but right now he looks like a sleeper in this draft.
Next time I'll put (joke) in parenthesis for those who are challenged by subtlety in humor.
Has anyone ever done a scientific statistical study on whether a long wingspan is actually better --or even as good as--a tall and athletic body? Any examples?
Does the fact that a player drags his knuckles on the floor when he walks actually translate into basketball prowess? I remember Romain Sato's claim to fame was that he had a tremendous wingspan. He still has the wingspan--he doesn't have an NBA job.
Or am I asking for too much reality over fantasy here?
Last edited by wildbill2u; 06-05-2007 at 08:52 AM. Reason: grammar
I'm guessing, in typical fashion we'll have little idea who the Spurs are working out. All I've heard so far is Jared Jordan.
I still believe the spurs will not draft a pg this draft. We could address other postions such as: 2 (Almond or Belinelli), 3 (Dudley,Tucker, or Mcguire), 4 (Fazekas or Tomic), 5 (Gray or Visser). I would be happy with any of these 2 players and find our back up pg in FA.
The more I look at it, the more I really like Dudley. His collegiate career and stats draw a lot of parallels to Josh Howard. Now, they obviously aren't the same player - I think JH is more athletic while Dudley is stronger and better in the post.
I could definitely see drafting a point. There aren't many on the FA market, they're either very expensive or old. Plus there are a handful of good points floating around the early second round. If Dowdell is still there at 33, we could do much worse; but true, there might be another decent guy at another position there.
Tomic is pulling out of the draft, I hear.
Any chance we take a look at Justin Williams this offseason?
I've been reading up on Dowdell and I think hes probably our man. He just seems to fit. Everything points to him being a good spurs type of player. Of course, I also think Dudley is probably our guy as well.
Can you imagine a second unit of Dowdell/Ginobili/Dudley/Scola/Oberto?
The 3 Argentine players already click very well together and would thrive in the NBA as a team. Dudley is a very smart basketball player and would quickly learn to play off of those guys and find his spots quickly. Dowdell would run the point, but would also be able to play off the ball a fair amount as the offense generally flows through Ginobili for the second unit anyways. Since hes really an undersized shooting guard with some refined PG polish it seems ideal. Obviously the interior defense wouldn't be the best with that group. But that unit has several legit shooters, a couple playmakers, low post scoring and a lot of chemistry already. We could do a whole lot worse.
I am simply salivating at the prospect of extending leads with Duncan AND Parker on the bench.
Awesome.
But...
I think it's Nocioni starting, the bench of Dowdell/Ginobili/Dudley/McDyess/Elson.
wow. we get McDyess. this one came out of nowhere.
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