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    Can anyone refresh my memory: we traded rights to Dragic for rights to Malik Hairston and a pick that would become DeJuan Blair?
    SA never had the rights of Dragic.

    In that draft, San Antonio's first options were Batum and Hill. Portland (with the help of Fat Morey) got Batum with the 25th pick and SA had to reach a bit to get Hill with the 26th pick. (Hill was a 2nd round pick in most mocks even though he was rising because of some great workouts prior to the draft).
    With a PG already, SA wanted to draft a swingman with the 2nd round pick. SA had the the 45th pick and PHX had the 48th pick. PHX was afraid that Dragic would be taken before their pick, so they had a deal with SA sending the 48th pick and next year's 2nd round pick (37th pick which ended up Dejuan Blair) for the 45th pick.

    Even though a lot of people credit SA for Dragic's pick, he was never San Antonio's choice, PHX chose him.

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    Is Shannon Brown still on a 10 contract?

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    Considering Brown played like 10 seconds last night, I doubt he gets another 10-day contract. He sucks and he is not what SA needs.

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    SA never had the rights of Dragic.

    In that draft, San Antonio's first options were Batum and Hill. Portland (with the help of Fat Morey) got Batum with the 25th pick and SA had to reach a bit to get Hill with the 26th pick. (Hill was a 2nd round pick in most mocks even though he was rising because of some great workouts prior to the draft).
    With a PG already, SA wanted to draft a swingman with the 2nd round pick. SA had the the 45th pick and PHX had the 48th pick. PHX was afraid that Dragic would be taken before their pick, so they had a deal with SA sending the 48th pick and next year's 2nd round pick (37th pick which ended up Dejuan Blair) for the 45th pick.

    Even though a lot of people credit SA for Dragic's pick, he was never San Antonio's choice, PHX chose him.

    nice breakdown, you're right.

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    SA never had the rights of Dragic. In that draft, San Antonio's first options were Batum and Hill. Portland (with the help of Fat Morey) got Batum with the 25th pick and SA had to reach a bit to get Hill with the 26th pick. (Hill was a 2nd round pick in most mocks even though he was rising because of some great workouts prior to the draft). With a PG already, SA wanted to draft a swingman with the 2nd round pick. SA had the the 45th pick and PHX had the 48th pick. PHX was afraid that Dragic would be taken before their pick, so they had a deal with SA sending the 48th pick and next year's 2nd round pick (37th pick which ended up Dejuan Blair) for the 45th pick. Even though a lot of people credit SA for Dragic's pick, he was never San Antonio's choice, PHX chose him.
    +1

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    Looks like Deng is complaining his way out of Cleveland (maybe Bynum had a point after all?). The Kings 1st round pick they traded away to the Bulls will never be a top 10 pick based on protections, and if the Kings are bottom third for the next few years (definitely possible), that pick turns into a second. At this point, they may take our late first.

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    Looks like Deng is complaining his way out of Cleveland (maybe Bynum had a point after all?). The Kings 1st round pick they traded away to the Bulls will never be a top 10 pick based on protections, and if the Kings are bottom third for the next few years (definitely possible), that pick turns into a second. At this point, they may take our late first.
    Too bad. Deng can't be traded again. He would be out of our range in the off season as well.
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    So you want to trade two guys who are rotation players (if Mills is one of them) for two guys who may struggle to crack the rotation period? I don't care that both guys we'd get were lottery picks - neither has shown anything showing they were worthy of it. You just don't make a trade like that mid-season when you're a contender.

    Not saying it wouldn't look out in the long run, and they are likely looking for a much different package if they were to give up Porter, but just hard to get my head around given the situation.
    You must not have watched Vessley play very much. He is capable of being a rotation player. An athletic & long 7'0 who runs the floor very well, plays hard. Overall a very good hustle player. In retro, a 6th pick on him was a bad pick but if he were taken 18-25 it wold be a different story.

    Also His playing time has been sporadic with players like Okafor (last season), Gortat, Nene' all taking big minutes ahead of him, not to mention Seraphin and Booker having more experience and Washington playing for the playoffs. I'd love to see the Spurs sign him in the off season.

    I wouldn't move Beli and Mills though. It would have to be one or the other. Porter was brought into be the SF. Ariza and Webster are ahead of him and both are playing great. Its hard for a lotto pick to impress as a 3rd stringer.
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    I'd rather trade for Taj Gibson then Evan Turner. He doesn't fit our system. He's ball-dominant and is a poor outside shooter. He's also a pretty poor defender. I'm sure he'd be better in our offense, but he's not what we need. We need an athletic SF who can D up and/or an athletic PF who can rebound and block shots.

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    Too bad. Deng can't be traded again. He would be out of our range in the off season as well.
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    He can't be traded back to the Bulls and he can't be packaged with other players. Otherwise, he can be traded to the other 28 teams in the NBA before the trade deadline.

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    He can't be traded back to the Bulls and he can't be packaged with other players. Otherwise, he can be traded to the other 28 teams in the NBA before the trade deadline.
    I was going to say that. And he can even be packaged with other players if the trade can be technically broken down into multiple smaller trades.

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    He can't be traded back to the Bulls and he can't be packaged with other players. Otherwise, he can be traded to the other 28 teams in the NBA before the trade deadline.
    I though he was traded after that deadline. I didn't realize he could still be traded again this season.

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    Taj Gibson should be priority #1 imo. Deng would be nice. Turner is not happening imo.

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    I though he was traded after that deadline. I didn't realize he could still be traded again this season.
    There is no such deadline besides the trade deadline. There's two-month no-packaging period, which Deng is still in.

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    I don't see CHI trading Gibson at all. They are trying to win both now and in future and Taj is a part of that. While I like Taj just fine, I don't really think he is worth his contract. With his recent numbers on a bad team where he gets to take way more shots, his numbers look really good, but I question his actual on court impact.

    To me, unless he continues to develop, is just an average player. Again, if it didn't take much to get him, sure, but I am not really high on Taj.

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    There is no such deadline besides the trade deadline. There's two-month no-packaging period, which Deng is still in.
    What was the talk about the Rockets moving Osik prior to a date, so they could trade the players they receive before the deadline. Is that the period your talking about?

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    What was the talk about the Rockets moving Osik prior to a date, so they could trade the players they receive before the deadline. Is that the period your talking about?
    They wanted to be able to package whomever they got for Asik before the deadline. They could have traded these players by themselves immediately. Essentially, it's harder to trade them for 60 days, but not impossible.

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    A. Afflalo, T. Ariza, C. Singleton, G. Davis, R. Evans, P. Gasol, T. Gibson, C. Landry, G. Monroe, A. Rivers, T. Sefolosha and G. Vasquez.-Jared Zwerling


    That was a list of players he had heard were mentioned in trade talks he place in his tweet (I've been on ST a year & 1/2 and i still can't embed a tweet)

    http://www.welcometoloudcity.com/201...trade-deadline

    The most interesting is the OKC is apparently shopping Sef. (who is a free agent after this season)

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    http://www.celticsblog.com/2014/2/9/...ant-jeff-green

    Hawks rumored to be interested in Jeff Green. According to article Celtics interested in Carrol among others. Maybe the Spurs could get in on the deal if the rumor is even true.

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    For me, the dream trade that is even remotely feasible (although still highly unlikely with Spurs available assets): Amir + Lowry for 1st round pick + outgoing salary not including Tim/TP/Manu/Kawhi/Boris/Green/Tiago.

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    So you want Lowry AND Amir for our late 1st round pick + any of our scrubs

    I doubt TOR would trade Amir or Lowry alone for that package.

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    For me, the dream trade that is even remotely feasible (although still highly unlikely with Spurs available assets): Amir + Lowry for 1st round pick + outgoing salary not including Tim/TP/Manu/Kawhi/Boris/Green/Tiago.
    Losing Beli and not getting a small-forward would not sit well me. I don't like the idea of playing Diaw at the three or Lowery at the two. I'd like to see Johnson in, but really in a case where either Splitter or Diaw is traded. That is unless I knew Indiana awaited in the Finals.

    Give me Chandler as my dream trade.

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    So you want Lowry AND Amir for our late 1st round pick + any of our scrubs

    I doubt TOR would trade Amir or Lowry alone for that package.
    Well, Lowry is not in their plans it appears. They have been shopping him asking for a first round pick which they have been unable to get, even when there are desperate teams (NY for example) that need a PG. With Lowry being a rental essentially, it doesn't seem like teams are willing to give a first for him.

    In the right situation, I definitely think they could get a first rounder for each of Lowry and Amir, but it seems difficult on the Lowry end. Maybe putting them in the same package could net them that pick and it seems like cap space is important to them as well.

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    When you look at team salaries going forward, SAC looks like a very good partner. They have 67m in guaranteed contracts next season (assuming Gay opts in) and they probably wanna keep Isaiah Thomas around without paying lux taxes.

    They simply have too much money attached on PFs. One of Williams, Thompson or Landry has to go. And I am pretty sure the asking price wouldn't be high. Williams is my favorite here because he can play the 3 in stretches, his contract is cheaper and he is still young. Still, any of those players could help SA some way.

    Chandler is one of my favorites as well, but I don't see Denver moving him with Gallo injured. He is their starting SF right now.

    As for Turner, I don't like him tbh. Still, he is better than Jeffers or Brown. Depending on the asking price, I would not be against it.

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    Too bad. Deng can't be traded again. He would be out of our range in the off season as well.
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    Yeah, forgot that it happened after the December 15th-ish timeframe. No way in Cleveland buys him out either given they might get something for him in a S+T. No way we can afford him with limited cap space this offseason and don't think I want to sign up for someone long-term who will be 30 by the time next year's playoffs roll around. Someone should break the news to Deng too that he can't whine his way out of this one.


    Also see what you're saying on Vesely. Would not deal both for those two (can't rock the boat that much), but either / or plus a first would be a steal. I assume even though he wasn't extended the team option, would his bird rights come along to any team?

    His shooting is atrocious - no range and can't hit FTs - but maybe something that can be fixed with time.

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