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    I keep on telling Raptors fan Kawhi is an ISO player. The difference between him and demar is that hes a more dominant iso scorer and hes got game intangibles.

    They're like.." brah hes a top 5 player..stop your nonsense".

    Im like yeah sure hes a top 5 player but thats how he plays basketball.
    Kawhi is not a top 5 player this year.

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    It's been more evident this year because he's nowhere near as good as he was for the Spurs as a 1-on-1 player and his 3-point shot is broken..

    I didn't mind when he did it with SA due to the lack of alternative options + how dominant he was as a 1 on 1 scorer..
    Why the does Kawhi not even get a pick.

    Kraptors game plan.

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    Kawhi is not a top 5 player this year.
    Yup. But thats his reputation. So long as the raps are winning and hes putting 25. Hes going to be forever known as that.

    Even ESPN had a list 5 days ago (voting) and he was second

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    The other lucky thing about Leonard is that all his other destinations for next year are 55+ winning team.

    Not a huge fan of Dennis managment way of securing the max deal but you cqnt aruge with the results. Hes about to get paid and tha raps are bending backwards so he can finish the year without any injury

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    Yup. But thats his reputation. So long as the raps are winning and hes putting 25. Hes going to be forever known as that.

    Even ESPN had a list 5 days ago (voting) and he was second
    Kyle Lowry has been the better player so far. Kawhi Leonard missed like 5 games already. Lowry carried the team. Yeah I know what you mean by 25 points though.

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    Please sit down fat neck. Kawhi would knock you into next week with one slap.
    Why are you defending the guy who quit on his team and needs rest every other game at 28 years old?

    If you recall, I was a Kawhi defender until the very end...but then he ed out, and I reacted appropriately. Because you know, I'm an actual Spurs fan.

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    I keep on telling Raptors fan Kawhi is an ISO player. ...
    That isn't strictly true. He did iso, sure, but the Spurs would also use him off screens, and ye olde pick'n'roll, and he was deadly.

    I wish the Spurs would do more screens and pick'n'roll, and pick'n'pop, for DDR, but the Spurs team offense just sux this year.

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    Why are you defending the guy who quit on his team and needs rest every other game at 28 years old?

    If you recall, I was a Kawhi defender until the very end...but then he ed out, and I reacted appropriately. Because you know, I'm an actual Spurs fan.
    He tends to be bipolar when it comes to Kawhi. I remember during the summertime he defended Kawhi and then turned on him and is now back on the wagon again. It's like someone who can get over the break up of an ex.

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    Why are you defending the guy who quit on his team and needs rest every other game at 28 years old?

    If you recall, I was a Kawhi defender until the very end...but then he ed out, and I reacted appropriately. Because you know, I'm an actual Spurs fan.
    Because trashing his basketball skills is ing stupid. He pretty much revived Duncan's career. Sure, Tiago and Green definitely helped, but they weren't the ones going toe to toe with KD and LBJ, 2 of the greatest players of all time. I mean sure, he quit on the Spurs and he's a sad excuse of a man but to try and diminish what he meant to the Spurs comes off as pathetic and resentful.

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    He tends to be bipolar when it comes to Kawhi. I remember during the summertime he defended Kawhi and then turned on him and is now back on the wagon again. It's like someone who can get over the break up of an ex.
    Not really, he's a great basketball player but comes off as a lost child otherwise. I still love his game though and enjoy watching him play.

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    The other lucky thing about Leonard is that all his other destinations for next year are 55+ winning team.

    Not a huge fan of Dennis managment way of securing the max deal but you cqnt aruge with the results. Hes about to get paid and tha raps are bending backwards so he can finish the year without any injury
    He's not gettin the max if he doesn't make an All-NBA team or win DPOY/MVP and he probably won't cause he sits out too many games

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    He's not gettin the max if he doesn't make an All-NBA team or win DPOY/MVP and he probably won't cause he sits out too many games
    Hes making the 2nd team. Hes that good. Playing at 70% and making 2nd team. He deserves it but I know the reasoning behind not giving it.

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    Because trashing his basketball skills is ing stupid. He pretty much revived Duncan's career. Sure, Tiago and Green definitely helped, but they weren't the ones going toe to toe with KD and LBJ, 2 of the greatest players of all time. I mean sure, he quit on the Spurs and he's a sad excuse of a man but to try and diminish what he meant to the Spurs comes off as pathetic and resentful.
    No but I still acknowledge his skills. I consider him the true MVP of 2017 and potentially the best player on earth, but he's too fragile and re ed to grab that status.

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    Because trashing his basketball skills is ing stupid. He pretty much revived Duncan's career. Sure, Tiago and Green definitely helped, but they weren't the ones going toe to toe with KD and LBJ, 2 of the greatest players of all time. I mean sure, he quit on the Spurs and he's a sad excuse of a man but to try and diminish what he meant to the Spurs comes off as pathetic and resentful.
    Can't stand the re ed trolls on here, but absolutely agree with this.

    Kawhi is probably the best basketball player in the world right now and was instrumental in us winning the 5th.

    We don't know what happened behind the scenes, and certainly seems like Kawhi really ed Spurs over in the worst kind of ways, but we don't and never will know the full story.

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    Kawhi is probably gonna be the player with highest win % when all is said and done.

    Currently is Timmy or Manu, IIRC

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    Can't stand the re ed trolls on here, but absolutely agree with this.

    Kawhi is probably the best basketball player in the world right now and was instrumental in us winning the 5th.

    We don't know what happened behind the scenes, and certainly seems like Kawhi really ed Spurs over in the worst kind of ways, but we don't and never will know the full story.
    Kawhi is not the best player in the world. 2016 sure..

    This kawhi is closer to 5-9

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    I like Giannis this year as MVP. Kawhi will deservedly finish 2nd team All NBA. Not his fault but Durant, LeBron, AD, and Giannis all have had better years.

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    I like Giannis this year as MVP. Kawhi will deservedly finish 2nd team All NBA. Not his fault but Durant, LeBron, AD, and Giannis all have had better years.
    Nah, Kawhi will be in 1st Team All NBA. Voters reward winning team

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    Nah, Kawhi will be in 1st Team All NBA. Voters reward winning team
    Over who? Bc Durant and LeBron are shoe ins and Giannis is winning. He also has the better stats plus he has played more games

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    Over who? Bc Durant and LeBron are shoe ins and Giannis is winning. He also has the better stats plus he has played more games
    Lol just like Lebron and KD were shoe ins when kawhi finished first team in both years?

    All of kawhis first team came in seasons both Durant and Lebron had great seasons. I do think kawhi doesnt deserve 1 1st team if he keeps up with his rest BS by January though

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    Lol just like Lebron and KD were shoe ins when kawhi finished first team in both years?

    All of kawhis first team came in seasons both Durant and Lebron had great seasons. I do think kawhi doesnt deserve 1 1st team if he keeps up with his rest BS by January though
    Durant was hurt one of those years so that's why he didn't get it. And there was some narrative that Goldent St was better without him than with him. 2 championships and finals MVPs later and that narrative is gone. I mean nobody even gives him flack for being the weakest superstar ever, ESPN has been printing out that he chose the hardest route by joining the Warriors
    If the Raptors keep up their winning ways without him then Kawhi will have to fight that narrative that they're just as good without him. At the end of the day, I just don't see him jumping TWO of these names: Lebron, KD, AD, and Giannis.

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    Durant was hurt one of those years so that's why he didn't get it. And there was some narrative that Goldent St was better without him than with him. 2 championships and finals MVPs later and that narrative is gone. I mean nobody even gives him flack for being the weakest superstar ever, ESPN has been printing out that he chose the hardest route by joining the Warriors
    If the Raptors keep up their winning ways without him then Kawhi will have to fight that narrative that they're just as good without him. At the end of the day, I just don't see him jumping TWO of these names: Lebron, KD, AD, and Giannis.
    Lol im not saying he deserves it with his rest BS. Also Durant is losing all games without curry so there is that.

    Its way to early in the season. Bucks are only two games ahead of the 5th seed. AD is not making first team, at least I dont think he should over Embiid.

    Embiid has been an absoulte monster. Im surprised hes not getting that much MVP buzz. Hes looked like the best player in the east by a decent margin.

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    Lol im not saying he deserves it with his rest BS. Also Durant is losing all games without curry so there is that.

    Its way to early in the season. Bucks are only two games ahead of the 5th seed. AD is not making first team, at least I dont think he should over Embiid.

    Embiid has been an absoulte monster. Im surprised hes not getting that much MVP buzz. Hes looked like the best player in the east by a decent margin.
    Oh I wanted Embiid since he broke his foot the second time. I was like he's a beast and maybe Philly lost faith, get him at all costs! I actually don't really mind that Kawhi left tbh. I was the only Spurs fan I know (even before he pulled off that bs last year) that didn't want to resign Kawhi. I think he is a phenomenal player and I don't hate him or anything, but I just don't think that any player is worth $43 million a year. I knew that was his going price to stay and I didn't want to cripple us down financially like Houston did. I really like our team going forward assuming we have health and make a few tweaks (getting rid of Patty, drafting a SF, and bringing over Nikola).

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    MVP would be Kawhi or Giannis depending on their team record.

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    Durant was hurt one of those years so that's why he didn't get it. And there was some narrative that Goldent St was better without him than with him. 2 championships and finals MVPs later and that narrative is gone. I mean nobody even gives him flack for being the weakest superstar ever, ESPN has been printing out that he chose the hardest route by joining the Warriors
    If the Raptors keep up their winning ways without him then Kawhi will have to fight that narrative that they're just as good without him. At the end of the day, I just don't see him jumping TWO of these names: Lebron, KD, AD, and Giannis.
    0% chance for Durant make the 1st team, this will go to Giannis (100%), Lebron, Kawhi and Davis

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