I'd move Murray or White to them if they attach another young big. We'd have 7 guards then including Manu-why would we need to lose him? Not enough PT? Him and Green probably will be playing the 3 a lot, I guess.
I might talk myself into it if we wind up getting DD, and honestly I just want all the speculation to end, but I think Derozan is tremendously overrated. Ppl complain about Lowry's deal which has $64M remaining over two years but seem totally okay with potentially paying Derozan $83M over 3. I'd much rather pay the extra $4M per year for the guy I perceive to be a vastly superior player.
Not at EVEN odds. Think the lowest they got was +200 or +300. But they've mostly been holding at +500 or higher.
This has the most legs of anything...to date, at least as far as Vegas oddsmakers are concerned.
I'm with you. I don't want Lowry here.
Lowry shot poorly in the 2016 playoffs and was injured for part (all?) of the Cleveland series in 2017. His playoff BPMs have not been as strong as his regular season numbers, but they're still positive. Lowry is +3.7/+2.5/+3.9 vs. -3.4/-1.1/-4.1 for Derozan over the last three years.
He played with Lou Williams-weren't they basically equally ball dominant?
I would definitely straight up trade Kawhi for Butler but that deal is going the Lakers almost certainly unless Minnesota thinks their own relationship with him is so fractured that they would have a better chance courting Kawhi for a year.
In general I think all of the Lakers young players are overrated and they fully intend to lowball us anyways. I would honestly want basically everything (Lonzo, Ingram, Kuzma, Hart) from them and just re-route Lonzo to somewhere else.
Sixers might up their offer . . . we'll see. They have more ways to match salary without giving away too many assets (well, mainly Chandler) than the Lakers do. I really doubt Lakers trade any of the guys (Rondo, KCP) they just signed to 1 year for salary matching.
Manimal on the move in an apparent salary dump
Linsanity too
IT getting the Vet Minimum one year after expecting to get a monster deal is nuts tbh. He's damaged goods though and is the worst defender in the league. This is his value now.
Brutal, tbh.
Lowry most similar player at his age a/c to 538: Chauncey Billups
Derozan most similar: Rip Hamilton (and Rudy is #2)
I think those are reasonable comps in terms of their respective values. Billups dropped off a bit at 32 but was solidly above average through his age 34 season, including leading the Nuggets to the WCF when he was 33.
Really? IT is limited as . Also seems to have personality issues that make it hard to play with him.
He should get at least the full MLE or have gotten to be the back up to Lonzo on a great team.
Ainge patting himself on the back right now for trading IT tbh.
Maybe Nuggs going after Clint Capela
Read somewhere DeRozan plays a peculiar style of basketball. I’m assuming it’s iso ball. I’m sure Pop has the chops to whip up something decent with whatever he gets but it’s a weird fit. Curious to see how it works.
I don't think anything happens until teams see him on the floor at USA camp. Gives them a chance to remember who and what he can do...
His terrible iso style is hideous in today's NBA, but it's actually a great fit for the current Spurs..they're desperate for a high-level scorer and they already play black hole ball with Aldridge and Gay on the team, it's not like DeRozan would be stopping ball movement like he would on any other team
DeRozan on the Warriors or Rockets would make them worse, but he's perfect for the Spurs..
There were rumors of picking up Deng, possibly getting Ball for it.
Is Lowry better than him? Apparently his metrics suggest that he is but he just doesn't pass the eye test for me. Although admittedly I don't watch a lot of Raptors outside of the playoffs. I know you watch them a lot since they're your hometown team.His terrible iso style is hideous in today's NBA, but it's actually a great fit for the current Spurs..they're desperate for a high-level scorer and they already play black hole ball with Aldridge and Gay on the team, it's not like DeRozan would be stopping ball movement like he would on any other team
DeRozan on the Warriors or Rockets would make them worse, but he's perfect for the Spurs..
No, DeMar has been much worse. I've seen nearly every single Toronto for the last 5 years, I live here and I'm telling you man while I'm not thrilled about either player with a gun to my head I take Lowry every day of the week. Even if Lowry isn't shooting well, he is 100 times the playmaker DeRozan is and a better defender (not that Lowry is a great defender but DeMar mails it in on that end every time). Lowry is also a MUCH better outside shooter than DeRozan and is on a much friendlier contract. DeRozan has one of the worst contracts in the league.
Spurs desperately and I mean DESPERATELY need a playmaker and outside shooter. Lowry does both.
DeMar when his shot isn't falling is absolutely awful. Again, DeMar was BENCHED completely in the ENTIRE fourth quarters of multiple playoff games. That's never happened with Lowry. DeMar and LMA would be an awful awful fit.
I understand the Spurs are going to get screwed either way in a Kawhi trade but if they can get Lowry and OG (who has TREMENDOUS upside and will be an elite defender in this league hands down) I would be much happier. I'm not even the biggest Lowry fan, but without hesitation would I take Lowry over Demar.
Lowry's much easier to fit on a good team because he's a much better shooter, passer, defender and team player..I wouldn't necessarily say he's better, though, DeRozan has a higher ceiling and can legitimately carry an offense on nights where his volume scoring is working..
He can't shoot and he can't pass. When his midrange isn't falling he is useless.His terrible iso style is hideous in today's NBA, but it's actually a great fit for the current Spurs..they're desperate for a high-level scorer and they already play black hole ball with Aldridge and Gay on the team, it's not like DeRozan would be stopping ball movement like he would on any other team
DeRozan on the Warriors or Rockets would make them worse, but he's perfect for the Spurs..
Spurs need outside shooting and playmaking, DeRozan brings none of that. He also choked badly in the playoffs every single year. He's an inefficient chucker, Spurs don't need any more of those.
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