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OKC needs to closeout the Duds without suffering an injury, bro....
I aint gotta sell you ... you can see how he changes games. Durant is more consistent more reliable ... he may even better player still ...but OKC is at their best when russ is dominant in his all around floor game...What's this bull about Westbrook being more important than KD in this series?
Durant is scoring more, more efficiently AND he's playing stellar defense. He's guarding the basket like a mini-Mutombo. He's the main reason why OKC can keep up with GS small line-ups but still punish them with size. He's clearly the key player of the matchup.
Don't get me wrong, Westbrook has been awesome too (they both needed to be to be in the position they are right now), but I don't know why some folks are trying to sell us that Westbrook is being more important than KD, tbh.
OKC needs to closeout the Duds without suffering an injury, bro....
So you are trying to tell me OKC is better when Westbrook plays well. What a novel concept
That still doesn't mean he is being more important than KD in this series. Have you even been paying attention to what KD is doing on the defensive end?
They can't play Ibaka at the 5 now b/c LMA would eat him alive.
KD barely played at the 4, most likely due to the fear of Diaw being activated.(They neutralized Diaw w/ Bully-Ball)
So you get to start and end a conversation whenever you feel like? Is that your opinion too?
It's not embarrassing myself, it's about embarrassing you by telling you how illogical that "to me" card is.
Westbrook is doing great, but this series isn't about Westbrook, this series is about the importance of matchups and having role players step up.
Agree on role players
90s ball killing today's NBA
Yes, I have. Have you been paying attention to the big changes in momentum Westbrook has sparked? no way OKC wins game 2 without the huge run that Russ put on in the third to reel the dubs back in ....So you are trying to tell me OKC is better when Westbrook plays well. What a novel concept
That still doesn't mean he is being more important than KD in this series. Have you even been paying attention to what KD is doing on the defensive end?
Durant has created OKC runs and stopped GS runs too, tbh. Both are playing great, and both need to play great if they want to finish GS off. But to me it's pretty clear that Durant has had the overall greater impact.
It was still silly ... how does ranking one player over another (koncak>Duncan) even remotely compare to saying that X player reminds me of y player?
And I yes I can end any argument because I am the one that chooses to engage or not. If you wish to circle jerk 140 about the retired one and rehash old go ahead.
This is about Westbrook more than anyone else. Sure it's match-ups, coaching, length etc. But westbrook has been the primary factor on why the 67 win Spurs are home and the 73 win dubs are one foot out the door. But of course when it's a player you adore like Tim, Moses, Bird ... their leadership and unselfishness is a primary reason why those teams won. But when Russ wins it's the role-players and matchups.
Roberson scoring 17 was going to help beat most teams because it's unexpected ...
But the reason Roberson is wide open is because the attention paid to Durant and Russ.
Russ is the one drawing the defense via penetration and giving Durant, Roberson waiters wide open looks.
Those here that have been hating on him for years just cannot give him his credit. But I will.
Russ is leading the playoffs in ...
1. assists
2. Offensive winshares
3. Box plus/minus
4. Offensive box plus/minus
5. VORP
6. PER
He is also
5th in scoring average (Durant is 1st)
4th in steals
6th in winshares per 48
8th in defensive win shares
In almost every category I listed Russ places hire than Durant.
They are both opinions.
Then you are not giving Roberson and Adams enough credit. Those two are balling right now.
Westbrook shot 29% from 3 and 38% from the field vs. the Spurs. What stood out was how well he passed and involved his teammates, which is more about coaching and role players stepping up.
Is Russ responsible for the role players stepping up? Sure, but so is Durant. Those two are constants and we know about them. I am under no delusions that the Spurs win in 99 without Jaren Jackson, 03 without Stephen Jackson/Kerr/Claxton with their timely contributions. As for Moses, he was a one man wrecking crew in 83. Bird and Tim were just the clear best players on those championships teams, Westbrook isn't.
I think he stepped up, I think he finally make the right decisions and passed to the right people at the right times. I have no problems with giving him the credit that he is finally doing things that he was supposed to have been doing years ago, what I have an issue is saying that he is the primary reason the Thunder are beating expectations.
It's like saying a high performance car with flat tires can't go far, and then someone changes the tires, and it's all because of the tires that the car is performing well. it's not.
Like I said I could pull up examples/arguments ... but it doesnt matter when you are dug in like a tick ...and tbh it's not like I'm arguing something that is even debatable. I said he reminds me of someone ... that's not a fact that can be debated or I can be called out on. I already said some of the why ... the article I quoted was just to show I was not on an island.They are both opinions.
Then you are not giving Roberson and Adams enough credit. Those two are balling right now.
Westbrook shot 29% from 3 and 38% from the field vs. the Spurs. What stood out was how well he passed and involved his teammates, which is more about coaching and role players stepping up.
Is Russ responsible for the role players stepping up? Sure, but so is Durant. Those two are constants and we know about them. I am under no delusions that the Spurs win in 99 without Jaren Jackson, 03 without Stephen Jackson/Kerr/Claxton with their timely contributions. As for Moses, he was a one man wrecking crew in 83. Bird and Tim were just the clear best players on those championships teams, Westbrook isn't.
I think he stepped up, I think he finally make the right decisions and passed to the right people at the right times. I have no problems with giving him the credit that he is finally doing things that he was supposed to have been doing years ago, what I have an issue is saying that he is the primary reason the Thunder are beating expectations.
It's like saying a high performance car with flat tires can't go far, and then someone changes the tires, and it's all because of the tires that the car is performing well. it's not.
The subject matter is not worth the time because again it's not like I am arguing "better PG Magic or CP3" there is no debate here. You just get your panties in a knot when a certain player is mentioned.
Like Igaf if you "called me out" ... Move on, dude. Why dont you address the stats I put up on westbrook? But like Deeps you are locked in on shooting % when almost every metric shows Westbrooks dominance and let's not even bring in the eye test or that West is outplaying the backtoback MVP ...
Real talk, you have some of the tiest analogies ...They are both opinions.
Then you are not giving Roberson and Adams enough credit. Those two are balling right now.
Westbrook shot 29% from 3 and 38% from the field vs. the Spurs. What stood out was how well he passed and involved his teammates, which is more about coaching and role players stepping up.
Is Russ responsible for the role players stepping up? Sure, but so is Durant. Those two are constants and we know about them. I am under no delusions that the Spurs win in 99 without Jaren Jackson, 03 without Stephen Jackson/Kerr/Claxton with their timely contributions. As for Moses, he was a one man wrecking crew in 83. Bird and Tim were just the clear best players on those championships teams, Westbrook isn't.
I think he stepped up, I think he finally make the right decisions and passed to the right people at the right times. I have no problems with giving him the credit that he is finally doing things that he was supposed to have been doing years ago, what I have an issue is saying that he is the primary reason the Thunder are beating expectations.
It's like saying a high performance car with flat tires can't go far, and then someone changes the tires, and it's all because of the tires that the car is performing well. it's not.
I said the same exact thing ... reading is fundamental.They are both opinions.
Then you are not giving Roberson and Adams enough credit. Those two are balling right now.
Westbrook shot 29% from 3 and 38% from the field vs. the Spurs. What stood out was how well he passed and involved his teammates, which is more about coaching and role players stepping up.
Is Russ responsible for the role players stepping up? Sure, but so is Durant. Those two are constants and we know about them. I am under no delusions that the Spurs win in 99 without Jaren Jackson, 03 without Stephen Jackson/Kerr/Claxton with their timely contributions. As for Moses, he was a one man wrecking crew in 83. Bird and Tim were just the clear best players on those championships teams, Westbrook isn't.
I think he stepped up, I think he finally make the right decisions and passed to the right people at the right times. I have no problems with giving him the credit that he is finally doing things that he was supposed to have been doing years ago, what I have an issue is saying that he is the primary reason the Thunder are beating expectations.
It's like saying a high performance car with flat tires can't go far, and then someone changes the tires, and it's all because of the tires that the car is performing well. it's not.
What does playoff numbers have to do with anything? We were arguing about this series.
I said he was the playoff MVP if you were paying attention ...
I also said he was the primary reason they beat "67" and "73" had one foot out the door ....but let's not let facts or stats get in the way.
Durant had a mediocre 1st rd series including a 7 for 33 game.
From Zack Lowe Some points that validate arguments made by posters today (even DAF and AMB)
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15...r-verge-finals
More than anything, Durant and Westbrook have crescendoed together. They are the most terrifying, physically dominant two-man force in basketball since prime Kobe and Shaq.
Again, it's not just me. And yes durant and Shaq are the true alphas but both those teams became special when the #2 ascended to #1 quality ...
Durant has been a good defender for years now -- I voted him second-team All-Defense in 2014, his last healthy season -- but he has been special in this series.
DAF that was for you ...
Do you believe Curry is "fine," as he said Tuesday night? I don't, really. He's struggling to drive past bigger players he torched in the regular season, and his juice at the rim isn't there. Green doesn't look like himself, either, after an ankle injury; the Thunder are just driving right at him, and they're happily laying the ball in over and around him. Guess what? I don't care. Injuries are part of the game, and these dudes are healthy enough to play.
I agree.
, Ibaka sank a wide-open 3 late in the second quarter because the jittery Warriors sent three defenders to sandwich a Westbrook-Adams pick-and-roll at the foul line.
Like I said he is the primary impetus ...
Adams has become a magnificent player, and as the main direct Harden return still standing, he represents the core risk and reward of that Thunder deal. He is a smart, brutal, physical defender who has worked his butt off to become a legitimate threat offensively -- a mustachioed dunk machine on the pick-and-roll with an improving soft touch on hooks around the basket.
For you Amb, and I agree actually I love Adams but still stand by what I said.
good thing he heated up in time to take a steaming on your boysDurant had a mediocre 1st rd series including a 7 for 33 game.
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They can't play Ibaka at the 5 now b/c LMA would eat him alive.
KD barely played at the 4, most likely due to the fear of Diaw being activated.
Oh and for the series through 4 games ...
Russ
27.3 pts, 6.5 rebs 11.8 assts 3.8 steals
118 Orating 100 Drating Gamescore 26.1
KD
28.5 pts, 8.8 rebs, 2.5 assts, 2.0 steals, 1.8 blocks
103 Orating 100 Drating Gamescore 19.7
Stats, eye test etc all say the same thing ... but some with the numbers backing up the narrative still will ingore the truth.
140 going JJ Barea on Teamkillakobe48.5Do people seriously still believe this?
Kobe would only "do whatever it takes to win" as long as he was the one getting credit for it...and rofl at him not caring about what people think of him when he went (and still goes) to great lenghts to create and sustain a whole fake persona in order to manipulate the way the public views him and his "legacy"
JJ Barea is pretty accurate tbh ...140 going JJ Barea on Teamkillakobe48.5
But your facts are wrong. I didnt post that as what I thought that came from ESPN's Royce young ...
Apparently 140 went JJB (oh noes!!!) on Royce
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