Yeah, Deng was never really an option. Maybe a S&T in the off-season. I think Chandler as the seventh or eighth man in the utility role would be a godsend. He can handle the ball well enough to run a bit of offense, but he's bit enough to put on David West, Lee and Ibaka. Not to mention he's athletic and can shoot. He could spot-start at three positions. He would have been incredible to have had the past month.
The Spurs aren't trading Leonard. He's part of the Spurs youth movement moving beyond the post-Duncan era. The Spurs FO, particularly RC Buford, would look incredibly stupid trading away George Hill for three years of Leonard. Talk about absurdity. Some of you are actually responding to this possibility.
Wilson Chandler would be an unbelievable get, but I don't see why Denver would trade him. He's a very talented 2-way SF on a reasonable contract and they are only 5-6 games out of the playoff picture. Not only that, but Gallo is out for the year and they have very little SF depth.
Would be a great fit, about as perfect as it could get, but I don't see why Denver would move him. I also can't imagine the Spurs being the one to offer the best package if it were believed he would be available.
The Spurs have the bulk of their money in Parker, Duncan, and Ginobili and they are all untouchables right now. They are not going to get Deng, Carmelo Anthony, Pau Gasol or anyone else with a large salary period. I don't see trading Leonard unless they are higher on Jeff Green, Evan Turner, Thad Young, or Dion Waiters. I doubt they are.
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Youth was another thing I meant to mention, as far as that Leonard trade article goes. Also, are you really a Cavs fan?
No. I grew up in Ohio though.
Guys, are you serious?
Riight at the moment, all things considered(not counting injuries); Chandler>>(>)Leonard.
Denver is nearing the situation Memphis was in last season, but without the contending core. They are a lottery team despite having a few strong pieces. In other words, they should take advantage of the situation and tank. Also, Chandler is a championship role-player, not a building block. They have no reason to keep him.
Now can the Spurs get outbid? Yeah, but I don't think it's likely if SA really wants him. A lot of teams are missing picks or are out of position to go for a final piece. I mean, who do you think would actually put in a better offer?
I think it solves a problem and still allows us the opportunity to solve another. We upgrade our big man core. A Duncan-Faried-Diaw-Splitter-Leonard rotation would be among the best (possibly the best) in the league. Belinelli and Mills both would essentially be competing for minutes. With Green likely playing a big role (assuming we play GSW, POR, Houston, or OKC), there is but only so many minutes at SG with Manu splitting some time at SG and SF.
Faried is a good rebounder and athletic as well. He'd be great in a "Dejaun Blair role" starting each half and logging about 20 mpg as a starter. Would allow both Splitter and Diaw to come off the bench, bolstering our bench unit
It also leaves us with Bonner and De Colo who could bring back a salary at around $8 million. Or we could make smaller deals for a backup SF like Aminu, Singeton, Dunleavy Jr.
yea right. If only.
9 days till trade deadline
AKA 9 days till the bull rumors stop and we accept the fact that we'll roll with the same team we see now, except healthier (hopefully, at least).
I have not seen any evidence to say Denver has decided to tank and not push for playoffs. They are still within striking distance and I highly doubt a team with a new coach, with a team that just made the playoffs, would elect to not push for it. While I don't disagree that they should probably tank, most teams don't appear to think that way. They may very well think they are closer by making a few moves (moving Faried who may net them a nice asset) along with getting Gallo healthy (for next year). If that is the case, Wilson is a very good piece to help them make the playoffs which is probably their goal IMO.
With regards to what teams would want Wilson Chandler and could outbid the Spurs? I think there would be a few maybe and it wouldn't just be teams who are contending this year. Teams like CHI who probably feel with Rose coming back and a few other moves they are right back in contention could be buyers. That's more of a holistic view, but specifically I would say at least 3 teams could outbid the Spurs and have a need:
1) ATL: They are making a playoff push even without Horford. They are weaker at SF than anywhere and have a coach who values 3/D. They have a few picks this year that could be better than the Spurs as well.
2) CHI: Not a likely candidate on the surface, but they fit the mold I described above. They are a team that while they appear to be rebuilding have the assets (draft picks, players getting healthy & possible cap space) to get back in the mix quite quickly. They likely didn't want to let Deng go, but he was expensive and it netted them a pick. Wilson would be a good fit for cheaper.
3) Suns: This is the team I would say could easily outbid. They have several nice picks acquired, appear to be headed for the playoffs and could use not only a 3/D SF (their weakest position IMO), but a veteran. Their training staff is great which is good news for Wilson and they could be big time buyers.
There are probably 1 or 2 more, but that is all I could come up with at the moment.
Belinelli wouldn't be missed but I can't find a working scenario that allows Denver to give u a cost controlled productive 24 year old PF for a backend 1st rounder and Beli. Even with rebuilding, young, cost controlled assets are hard to find and with the players Denver would be receiving, I don't think it would be worth it.
I'm not sure how the talks between them and the Knicks are progressing but, if they're not willing to take Shumpert in a deal for Faried, I'm not sure what chance the Spurs have of offering them Belinelli. The Spurs would need to be part of a threeway.
I like it as long as there is another small deal done. I can see what you mean about limited minutes to divide up, but it's good to have options. If Green is cold and Mills is getting destroyed defensively, it'd be nice to have another option who can shoot. Losing Belinelli, and Bonner and gaining Faried and Dunleavy could make some sense, for example.
Maybe Atlanta. But they're not giving up Brooklyn's pick for a role-player. They certainly have some assets, but I don't see them selling the farm. Chicago isn't taking on salary this season because they are trying to avoid the tax, and they can't two-for-one trade, since they're at 12 players as it is. Plus, Chandler would take Chicago out of the 2014 FA hunt. Phoenix is loaded with wings and s targeting a big. How does Chandler make sense for them at all?
Wilson certainly has a market, but it's not huge right now. This off-season may be another story, but as of now he's not going to drum up a bidding war.
Spurs standing pat... sink or swim with the role players
Well lets just agree to disagree. I don't think Denver would actively trade him and I really disagree that PHX couldn't use a SF. I highly disagree that PJ Tucker, Gerald Green and Morris is being loaded with wings for a playoff team.
Regarding CHI: They could easily do a 2 for 1 trade and still avoid the tax by signing a min player afterwards depending on who they sent out. They were willing to extend Deng and that would have eaten their FA money as well. If they amnesty Boozer and replace Dunleavy with Wilson, they would still have a decent little chuck of FA money (about 8M).
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What about Washibgton or OKC?
Why would Washington want another SF? They have three they've invested a lot in. And they lack a pick this season.
OKC has TE they can use. But they're near the tax and can't take on much salary. Sure, a deal can get done still, but they'd have to give upat least one rotation player (likely two) to get it done.
We can certainly agree to disagree. It's not like this is going to happen anyway.
That said, I would think Phoenix likes their wings, since they are powering the Suns' surprise playoff push, along with Dragic. You don't blow that up to get a player having a worse season.
Chicago can only do Hinrich (their starting PG) and Dunlevy for Chandler. Any other combination puts them above the tax. They weren't willing to pay the tax for Deng ultimately; they're not going to pay it for a lesser player. Also, I doubt the Bulls amnesty Boozer just to get $9 Million in cap space. May as well keep him for that much.
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