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San Antonio or Europe really seem to be the best fits, though I agree that Chicago could be a probable destination...especially if Chapu is re-signed.
On the other hand, you'd have the example of Finley to look at. He joined the team and came off the bench behind another premier player until the team decided that they'd work better with Manu off the bench and Finley starting.
If I'm a great or good veteran I'd like that opportunity with a team that has no preconceived notions except what's the best way to win a championship.
San Antonio or Europe really seem to be the best fits, though I agree that Chicago could be a probable destination...especially if Chapu is re-signed.
As unathletic as Oberto is, and as minescule as their rotation is, I doubt he goes there.
Someone mentioned Antonio McDyess leaving Detriot, and the more I thought about it, the more I thought of them as a destination for Oberto or even Scola. Granted, I would hate to make a team as good as Detriot stronger, but if the Spurs could get a guy like Amir Johnson back in the trade, I think it might be well worth it...
I had a dream of our 2007-2008 San Antonio Spurs:
TP,Green, Vaughn
Manu,Finley,Belinelli
Bowen,Nocioni, White
TD,Horry,Mahinmi
Oberto,Elson,Butler
i agree with darkwaters
this scenario could be good
28: Fernandez or Belinelli
33: Byars or Dudley or Almond or Fazekas or Dowdell or Tucker
58: DJ Strawberry (if we don't take Dudley, Byars, Almond, or Tucker) or Yue or Random as of yet unnamed Euro
a big and a wing player seems to be a good option
I may prove to be quite wrong, but I highly doubt that we bring Mahinmi over next season. There's little evidence that he's even ready for the SJax plan yet.
Who else thinks James White is next year's Stephen Jackson?
The problem with that is that those are all guys who would likely need to be on the roster next year, unless we just cut the second round picks - in which case they are wasted..
I don't think there's a chance will draft three new players for next season's roster. They'll either package 1 or 2 of them in a trade for a player or to move up and/or use one on a draft and stash player.
In the model I worked out here is how I feel the rotation would work out:
Active:
Parker/Papaloukas
Finley/Ginobili/White
Nocioni/Bowen
Duncan/McDyess/Horry
Oberto/Butler
Inactive:
Vaughn, Dudley, Elson
Point Guard
Parker: Lions share of the minutes. He'll probably average fewer minutes this season than last. With a quality backup the team won't feel such a significant dropoff when hes not on the court. In the playoffs that will likely change.
Papaloukas: Gets all of the backup minutes. Since his play will be of higher quality than Vaughn or Udrih he will probably command more time on the court. Also, with his size (and Tony's ever improving jump shooting) we could play Tony off the ball and run Theodoras as the primary playmaker. This would be another look that could give defenses like Cleveland fits.
Vaughn: Inactive unless there is an injury.
Wings
Finley: Mike will get the start like he did for most of last season. He will probably get about the same amount of minutes as well...although that number is more likely to go down rather than up except in the event of an injury. If James White looks to be a competant player on this team then I can see Finley taking a Robert Horry type approach to the season and letting the young guns shoot it out.
Ginobili: I see him coming off the bench yet again. Although, he will probably play extended minutes with Nocioni and Oberto for obvious reasons. Pencil Gino in for about 28 mins a game.
White: This is the wild card of the class. He could get a sizeable role next year or he could simply be a toss in for show. In all really depends on what he can do night in and night out. He had good showings last year. But who knows? He essentially takes Brent Barry's role.
Nocioni: Starts at the 3 and plays the majority of the minutes. He could also slide over to the 4 and give us that oh so desirable small ball 4 lineup. His minutes will therefore vary depending on who we play. I could see him playing about the same amount of time as Gino if not more.
Bowen: His minutes should decline this year significantly. With him getting up there in age I expect him to start being limited by the coaching staff to about 25 mins a game on a typical night. During the playoffs it will be aboutu matchups obviously.
Dudley: Inactive for the most part. Takes a year to learn the system.
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Duncan: Same as last year. He is the Spurs offense and defense. He will play when needed and rest when hes not needed.
McDyess: He will probably do the 25 mins a game thing like he did in Detroit. We could set up a situtation where McDyess takes the first game of a back to back off and Horry does the opposite. His minutes will be small, but his role large.
Horry: About the same as this year. Inconsistent and small minutes during the year at times. Hes basically a stash away for the playoffs.
Oberto: His minutes were up and down last year. I think he solidified his role as the starter by his quality play in the postseason. I see him playing about 20 - 25 mins a game this year.
Butler: I see this kid taking a playing role this year as the principal backup center. I could see him taking 15-20 mins a game depending on his contribution. He will be on the floor when Duncan isn't to provide low post offense.
Elson: Inactive except when matchups require him to play or McDyess/Horry needs a rest. I can see him being traded at the deadline.
Last edited by Darkwaters; 06-15-2007 at 01:49 PM.
You could be right, but then again I do not think he is ready for the SJAX plan yet either..I think he is ready for developmental league plan and I would really like this guy to be around players like Horry, Finley, Bowen, Oberto to see what it takes to be a good NBA player before these guys are gone..
Bowen: His minutes should decline this year significantly. With him getting up there in age I expect him to start being limited by the coaching staff to about 25 mins a game on a typical night. During the playoffs it will be aboutu matchups obviously. (DarkWaters)
Ya, he really looked old this post season and do you really think vaughn would sign for another yeat for an inactive roster spot..I would rather have vaughn (who knows the system) as back-up pg than any rookie or FA pick up.
for the no.58 pick im for the solution of an euro player who will not make the roster next year
grabbing two players in the roster with the draft IMO can be possible or make a package of the two picks also
Uhhh...Duncan should still be here in 2008, he won't be half bad to watch and learn from.
Mahinmi coming over will be a simple matter of roster space. If the Spurs have a 15th spot available, I'm thinking he'll get brought over and shipped direct to the D-League....but finding that open 15th spot will be tough next year.
The only player I've been advocating taking at 58 and putting on the roster is DJ Strawberry. And then we only take him if we don't take a wing at 33 or 28. Frankly, the next season we will have Finley, Bowen, Barry, and White with expiring contracts and Ginobili will be about 32. We need some youth at the wing and a guy like Strawberry could spend a year to learn the system and then play a role the next year.
Honestly, I'd rather just draft one player at the wing with either the 28 or 33 and bring him in this season. The only way we'd draft two wings is if one was a foreigner that we could stash (Rudy Fernandez).
For all the talk on Nocioni, I don't think the Spurs have had discussions about getting him, let alone what it would take. The Bulls could very well use the low-post skills of Luis Scola, but they could also just draft Spencer Hawes. They could use the long-range shooting of Brent Barry, or they could give their young guys more time on the court.
Bottom Line: Nocioni to the Spurs isn't a given, nor is it anything but speculation to this point.
Barry would probably be traded by the Bulls at the deadline or before to bring in one last piece for their finals run next season. They've made it apparent that they don't really want to bring in more guards as they casually ditched an inexpensive JR Smith last year like he was garbage.
FYI, Chris Sheridan just said on a chat that he heard a rumor involving the Lakers and Shawn Marion. It would involve the Lakers shipping their #1 pick, among other things, to which he said "the Suns would use to draft Rudy Fernandez." Do you think the Suns want Rudy and are attempting to trade up in front of another team that likes him (Spurs!) in order to get him?
The Suns are trying to cut payroll and don't want to be spending money on first round draft picks. A foreign player that can be stashed overseas is their most attractive venue this year. Hence: Rudy Fernandez is attractive to them. But if they wanted to draft in front of the Spurs then its already done. They own the 24th pick which last time I checked comes before 28. We would have to trade up to at least above 24 to have a reasonable shot at him.
A Spur Noce is certainly not a given, but I believe it's more than speculation at this point; in fact, there is every reason to believe the Spurs have been talking to Chicago about him since at least before the last draft, when the Spurs were trying to get into the mid-first round (and possibly to Sefolosha). There is every reason to believe the Spurs and the Bulls have been discussing it this year, at least since before the trade deadline.
And Spencer Hawes alone will not spell the Bulls' interior troubles. He's not quite ready yet. Plus it looks like Minnesota is very high on him a few picks earlier. Hopefully (as a Chicago fan) they can get Hawes + Scola.
i think so , too much speculation on nocioni
I don't think San Antonio is remotely in the picture for Fernandez at this point.
Barry gives Chicago two things they still need: a tall guard who can handle the ball (to play next to Gordon), and an outside shooter.
(Forget his defensive liabilities.)
I could see that happening I suppose. But weren't the Bulls interested in Steve Blake for that role?
I haven't heard anything like that. Why would they want Blake with Hinrich and Duhon on the team?
They like Sefolosha a lot for his size and ball-handling abilities.
I don't want to see us draft Belineli. He seems like a guy who will spend most of his career getting injured from all the reckless landing and contortioning.
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