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Agreed. The asking price should've been even higher . . . Randle S&T/Ingram/Kuzma/Hart/three future firsts.
King vs. Kingslayer narrative will be much more interesting anyways once Kawhi is on the Clippers.
No, I really don't think the Spurs were ever going to trade with the Lakers. They were setting the price higher than they knew their FO would accept.
Agreed. The asking price should've been even higher . . . Randle S&T/Ingram/Kuzma/Hart/three future firsts.
King vs. Kingslayer narrative will be much more interesting anyways once Kawhi is on the Clippers.
That may be true, but my argument has been Hart is the best player in Vegas. Svi might be next best. Might be the 2nd best 2nd rounder since ManureDoesn't mean Kyle Anderson was summer league MVP that's how legit it is.
The reason I don't agree is because, first off, I have pretty good information that I'm correct (I don't claim to be an insider, but, yeah), and two, the Lakers actually did have a pretty strong offer before free agency began, but have pulled back. As I stated in my first post, something clearly changed, whether it was LeBron telling them he liked the kids or whether they got wind that Uncle Dennis actually prefers the Clippers. Something changed, and now the Lakers aren't offering much; I believe it's because they have legitimate worry that Kawhi would not re-sign.
Anyhow, yeah, from what I understand, nothing was off the table for the Spurs.
Are you a clippers fan? Every trade you conceive of is based around them.
No, LOL. I just think think LA location (reassurance that Kawhi will re-sign) and Jerry West feeling he needs to get Kawhi now or else he'd probably pick Lakers over Clippers in FA allows us to get the most assets even if Clippers don't have the necessary assets right now. Lakers think Deng/Wagner/Zubac is enough and Sixers aren't much better . . . maybe Chandler/Bayless/2021 Heat pick. Celtics don't want Kawhi. I'm looking out for this team even if it means dealing within our own conference.
But for right now looks like we're keeping Kawhi and won't trade him until after 12/15.
I don't give a smeary for your 'inside information,' you sad little nine post nosepicker. The Spurs were never breaking down to Kawhi's babyish demands, especially with enough evidence of tampering. It just wasn't going to happen.
Define dumb.
Some of us might say it would be dumb to trade the 3rd or 4th best player in the League to you so you could form a superteam. And for what? 1 kid with a high ceiling but that's also underperformed to date and has a really bad PER. And two roll players that prolly wouldn't even be widely-known names were they playing anywhere outside of LaLaLand.
Remember DBust? Or Russell (just let go--walked for nothing)? Or even Ball (Plaschke says nearly everyone inside Lakers organization is ready to move on from him?
That's a lot of hype with little to no return. Or should I say substance? I know that word probably doesn't register in the mind of the average superficial Laker fan. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, however.
I don't give a smeary for your 'inside information,' you sad little nine post nosepicker. The Spurs were never breaking down to Kawhi's babyish demands, especially with enough evidence of tampering. It just wasn't going to happen.
Would love for the league to investigate Lakers for tampering and take their next 5 first round picks from them.
They only do that for the Timberwolves. But the Lakers definitely tampered the out of this.
And the Spurs are too classy to show proof. Which sucks. They should tear Magic's heart out on this.
Gotcha. I don't really care who we trade him to as long as we get the best deal possible. In a perfect world I'd like to see us go get butler without giving up Kawhi and see if that would convince him to stay and ,if not, trade him to Boston for either Hayward or kyrie + a couple picks.
Since we don't live in that perfect world I'm ok with the Toronto trade. Outside of that I like what Philly can offer over the LA teams but they haven't put it on the table. I think the Lakers can offer a better package than the clips but, it doesn't look like they will. That leaves the clippers trying to beat the Toronto offer (DD, OG, maybe poeltl or pick) and it's tough to see them doing that. I don't value Harrell very much. Harris + SGA is not nearly enough to beat Toronto so they'd have to bring in a 3rd team to get assets for us. I just don't see what they can offer another team to get the assets they'd need.
You think hart is better than kuzma? But kuzma’s untouchable according to man of a 100 T-cellsThat may be true, but my argument has been Hart is the best player in Vegas. Svi might be next best. Might be the 2nd best 2nd rounder since Manure
I know for a fact that RC Buford did not rule out the Lakers when it came to a Kawhi deal. 100% know it for a fact. This doesn't mean I'm saying that they were eager to deal with the Lakers, of course. I'm simply saying that I know that they never ruled anything out. Whether you believe me or not, I don't care. Anyone here on this site can judge for themselves. This isn't exactly breaking news, by the way. I'm not claiming that a deal with a particular team is close or anything like that. I just happen to have some info and I have no issue with stating it.
And this isn't about granting Kawhi's demands. Buford and Popovich are not short-sighted, as you appear to be. They are going to do what's best for the franchise. If they liked the Laker offer more than the other offers, they would have taken it because it would have put their own franchise in the best possible position moving forward. This situation is terrible for the Spurs but they are going to do what is best moving forward. If the Sixers offered just Saric and Covington and Bayless and if the Lakers offered Ingram, and if you think the Spurs would take the Sixers' offer, there's nothing more I can tell you.
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You’re wasting your time. A few score pages ago, Fusty came right out and said he would repeatedly push the Clipper trades. I think you su ions were correct, and that he is a Clips fan. There is just a desperation to his repition. It’s kind of sad.
Done deal.
Boy, if you simply paid attention to what was going on during the 'negotiations', instead of attending to your Lakers circle jerk, you would know your bull won't fly here. Don't make up. The Spurs were asking for a huge amount to set a market, trying to bring in Eastern Conference teams in. It didn't quite work, which is too bad, but they had no intention of dealing with the Lakers. Paul George told LA to screw, LeBron brought in a bunch of non-fit players, and that was it. Nothing was ever serious. The market never materialized with Philly and Boston, but that was independent.
If you want to make up, fine. But we know how the Spurs operate. You can do your cargo cult shamanistic waving all you want, but no one believes a word you're saying.
LOL, striking a nerve just because I happen to know that the Lakers were never ruled out in a Kawhi trade. Stay classy, folks.
By the way, if they HAD been ruled out, don't you think the national reporters who have the credibility would have reported as such? Sure, you hear mindless BS from talking heads like Bayless and the like, but in terms of the respected reporters, you haven't heard anything like that. Again, this isn't breaking news. Sad that so many of you are so blinded by your hate for one team that you can't even think rationally.
If you're trying to imply that Ingram is so obviously better than Covington/Saric then that's just you overrating your young players.
About our own team-Murray is our most prominent prospect. I don't see him getting beyond the 8-12/30 ranking for starting point guards. He can get a jumper and learn to finish at the rim. But he will be a scoring first point guard who basically only creates off of his scoring. There's nothing wrong with that necessarily. 8-12/30 is nothing to scoff at but I don't see him ever being an All-Star.
Ingram did make a big jump first to second year but his advanced metrics look really awful. Every team has players capable of putting up 15-20 points a night. Doesn't mean they're that amazing.
LOL.
You guys who would sit Kawhi on the bench (not him sitting himself) so that he walks next season without either 1) playing for us so that we can make a playoff push 2) playing for us so teams see he's healthy, allowing us to get someone to gut their team are the real anti-fans here.
I'm no Clippers fan, LOL. I'm just reading the market. Right in this thread we've seen the en lement of the Lakers and Sixers organizations. Deng/Zubac/Wagner or Bayless/Chandler/2021 Heat pick. Disgusting.
You guys don't get it. Just because a team may have the best assets doesn't mean that that's the team that will get us the best offer!
Ridiculous.
They also don't wanna trade Kawhi for middling players that do nothing to move the needle towards contention or bad contracts that hurt future capspace/flexibility.
Bruh, White got hurt. When he was playing he was destroying teams like in ORL.
It's about Ingram's age (still just 20) and what he could become. It's a projection, sure. But he got much better after his rookie year, and he certainly has his admirers on the national scene, including from the folks at The Ringer. He's still on his rookie deal, while Covington is already making more than $10MM and has a limited offensive game, while Saric is at the end of his rookie deal (so he needs to get paid a year earlier than Ingram) and doesn't have Ingram's ceiling as a player, though I do like him as a player and think the Spurs would like having him if he came with, say, Fultz too. If the Spurs are trading Kawhi, my feeling is that they would be looking to try to acquire at least one young player with major potential. That theoretical Sixers offer would just be ho-hum if it doesn't include Fultz. Doesn't really get the Spurs anywhere. At least Anunoby has potential if they do the Raptors deal. Ditto SGA with the Clippers.
As for Murray, I'd be a hypocrite if I said I wasn't a fan, because I'm a big Lonzo fan, due to the defense.
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