Officials: Obama to reverse abortion policy

[angel_luv]

If there is one way to be "judged" by peers its when religion or politics are discussed.
Everyone has different views, morals, and opinions. If you are willing to throw them out there, just be willing to hear from those who strongly disagree with you. I'm sure you are a good person.

Thank you.

I am very opinionated and could stand to be a better listener.

My fiancee is too kind to ever say that I could listen better, but he would be right to.

[spursfan09]

Then what's your problem? Let "god" judge Obama accordingly and you worry about your own life instead of someone elses.

Exactly what I was thinking.

[Spurminator]

Anyone?

Please... This silence is deafening!

If we kept death row inmates in the wombs of women who didn't want to keep them there, and they could not be sustained outside of that environment, then I would fully support the death penalty.

[JoeChalupa]

It has a life of its own.

[JoeChalupa]

I'm NOT for abortion but I'm pro choice. Here we go again.

[CuckingFunt]

I agree with you that we name things improperly. Now, I ask that you apply the same standards to the names of the things the left comes up with. Talk about improperly named...

Examples? Or is this just a random, baseless "Lib " attack?

Anyone?

Please... This silence is deafening!

I'm curious as to who you've ever met that is actually for abortion. I've yet to encounter a single such person.

Being pro-choice, or, more accurately, supporting reproductive justice, is not the same thing as being for abortions. At all. I absolutely believe that the decision to have an abortion should only be made after very careful consideration. And I absolutely believe that the ultimate goal should be to educate and empower women to take an active role in family planning -- to have the knowledge and tools necessary to protect themselves from unwanted pregnancy, so that they (we) are hopefully not faced with the decision of aborting, adoption, neglect, abandonment, and on and on. I do not support abortion as a means of birth control, or as a back-up plan to allow us irresponsibility.

Of course, I also support the right to abortion in situations that go beyond a broken condom or birth control failure. If the pregnancy is a threat to the mother's health, there's no question in my mind that abortion should be an option. Additionally, in cases of rape and incest, I can't even imagine the toll it must take, mentally, emotionally, and physically, to carry a child to term. No one (blatant feminist card: especially no man) should ever be allowed to tell a woman or young girl that she has to live with that for nine months.

As to the second half of your question, no, I do not support the death penalty. Not because I want to protect criminals, but because I see absolutely zero benefit to capital punishment. None. It doesn't defer criminal behavior. It doesn't save money, as statistics have shown that the appeal process costs far more than incarcerating a prisoner for life. It doesn't reduce prison crowding anywhere near as much as abandoning this silly "war on drugs" would. All it does is feed into our obsession with vengeance, which I find to be every bit as troubling as the motivations that lead most death row inmates to their actions, and allow the government to dehumanize members of our community.

And that's without even addressing the issue of flawed evidence and errant convictions.

[koriwhat]

2) I one hundred percent, absolutely, and with no apology stick with my stance that abortion is the murder of innocent children whose life was purposely created by God. As such, abortion ought to have no place in our country or the world.

what if that life is to be purposely taken by god too in the act of abortion? who's to say it isn't?

when we look at things this way it's more of a no-one-will-ever-know type situation. and this is the path most here are going down with their arguments towards you. the "unknown". is it or isn't it all meant to be? a predestined world.

i say it! we are all animals and we should all decide what's right for ourselves without intervening on others. my brother is a very religious fool and having to grow up around his judgments of me totally made me despise religion and to this day i still do. i believe in myself, the good i can accomplish, and the god of my choice. to him he believes in not judging others by judging others because as far as i can see most religious people are nothing more then hypocrites blinded by their own insecurities and when they find "god" they think they are now somehow above man and can judge men accordingly. what they forget is the teachings they've adopted like "thou shall not judge" and they go around building temples the size of mansions and allow their priests to drive around in mercedes and rape little boys.

i know you're a good person angel_luv and i know nothing here will sway you from your stance and that's exactly what i'm not trying to do. perspective is a !

we've got the keys to unlock the doors between us and god and if you'd like to one day open that door then lsd will be waiting. i for one have already enjoyed pure bliss in "the void" and lets just say the god i found was myself but not myself. very hard to explain. search for nothing and you will find everything!

[balli]

we've got the keys to unlock the doors between us and god and if you'd like to one day open that door then lsd will be waiting.

[DarkReign]

I'm curious as to who you've ever met that is actually for abortion. I've yet to encounter a single such person.

Being pro-choice, or, more accurately, supporting reproductive justice, is not the same thing as being for abortions. At all. I absolutely believe that the decision to have an abortion should only be made after very careful consideration. And I absolutely believe that the ultimate goal should be to educate and empower women to take an active role in family planning -- to have the knowledge and tools necessary to protect themselves from unwanted pregnancy, so that they (we) are hopefully not faced with the decision of aborting, adoption, neglect, abandonment, and on and on. I do not support abortion as a means of birth control, or as a back-up plan to allow us irresponsibility.

Of course, I also support the right to abortion in situations that go beyond a broken condom or birth control failure. If the pregnancy is a threat to the mother's health, there's no question in my mind that abortion should be an option. Additionally, in cases of rape and incest, I can't even imagine the toll it must take, mentally, emotionally, and physically, to carry a child to term. No one (blatant feminist card: especially no man) should ever be allowed to tell a woman or young girl that she has to live with that for nine months.

As to the second half of your question, no, I do not support the death penalty. Not because I want to protect criminals, but because I see absolutely zero benefit to capital punishment. None. It doesn't defer criminal behavior. It doesn't save money, as statistics have shown that the appeal process costs far more than incarcerating a prisoner for life. It doesn't reduce prison crowding anywhere near as much as abandoning this silly "war on drugs" would. All it does is feed into our obsession with vengeance, which I find to be every bit as troubling as the motivations that lead most death row inmates to their actions, and allow the government to dehumanize members of our community.

And that's without even addressing the issue of flawed evidence and errant convictions.

Epic.

[ploto]

Some form of Health care is currently available to all children in our Country.

Quality preventive health care for all children does not exist. If you think it does, you are kidding yourself.

You are in a boat with two people; one is a best friend who you consider a God-send, the other is a convicted, remorseless rapist, murderer.
Both go overboard and you have the ability to save one or the other, not both; Would you be inclined to throw the life-saving device to one over the other?

Both lives have the same value in the eyes of God-- my viewpoint means nothing- it is flawed.

[ploto]

But again with the death penalty, much as I want to see it abolished, people know it exists and so that is the risk they take when they commit murder.

And what about our government putting to death innocent people. Shouldn't that upset you- using your tax dollars to pay someone to kill another person all in your name as a citizen?

If you want to say you voted for McCain because of his views on abortion, then say that, but do not call him pro-life.

[George Gervin's Afro]

If we only let women vote on abortion I wonder what the outcome would be?

why aren't conservatives pro protection? protection = fewer abortions.

[jochhejaam]

If you refer to yourself as a good christian doing what God and the bible ask you to, then you throw the life saving device to one and then jump to get the other.

If you are unwilling to jump then stop talking in the name of God.

That’s the beauty of an internet forum; you can totally miss the point of something, take a mighty swing at it anyway, hitting nothing, and still leave the thread feeling as if you were clever.

[jochhejaam]

Both lives have the same value in the eyes of God-- my viewpoint means nothing- it is flawed.

Nice dodge, about what I expected.

If you had honestly answered the question as it was posed it would have shattered your premise of each life holding equal value.

[Kriz-Maxima]

That’s the beauty of an internet forum; you can totally miss the point of something, take a mighty swing at it anyway, hitting nothing, and still leave the thread feeling as if you were clever.

yeah!

[George Gervin's Afro]

Nice dodge, about what I expected.

If you had honestly answered the question as it was posed it would have shattered your premise of each life holding equal value.

In other words you asked a question that you already knew the answer to? Can I pose a question that leads you to my conclusion?

[jochhejaam]

In other words you asked a question that you already knew the answer to?

No George, in my own words, I came to that conclusion "after" she dodged the question.
(Play as often as you like George, it's on the house).

Can I pose a question that leads you to my conclusion?

I don't know George, can you?

[ElNono]

All babies are formed in their mother's womb by God.

Well, not really. I mean, they can be formed in a test tube inside a lab. Is it ok to abort those?

<crickets chirping>

[clambake]

gods test tubes.

[SnakeBoy]

<crickets chirping>

Perhaps I can help answer your question. The friction between the penis and vagina is a required ingredient in the creation of a soul. So it is fine to kill those soulless test tube babies since they are an abomination.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

I'm curious as to who you've ever met that is actually for abortion. I've yet to encounter a single such person.

Being pro-choice, or, more accurately, supporting reproductive justice, is not the same thing as being for abortions. At all. I absolutely believe that the decision to have an abortion should only be made after very careful consideration. And I absolutely believe that the ultimate goal should be to educate and empower women to take an active role in family planning -- to have the knowledge and tools necessary to protect themselves from unwanted pregnancy, so that they (we) are hopefully not faced with the decision of aborting, adoption, neglect, abandonment, and on and on. I do not support abortion as a means of birth control, or as a back-up plan to allow us irresponsibility.

Of course, I also support the right to abortion in situations that go beyond a broken condom or birth control failure. If the pregnancy is a threat to the mother's health, there's no question in my mind that abortion should be an option. Additionally, in cases of rape and incest, I can't even imagine the toll it must take, mentally, emotionally, and physically, to carry a child to term. No one (blatant feminist card: especially no man) should ever be allowed to tell a woman or young girl that she has to live with that for nine months.

As to the second half of your question, no, I do not support the death penalty. Not because I want to protect criminals, but because I see absolutely zero benefit to capital punishment. None. It doesn't defer criminal behavior. It doesn't save money, as statistics have shown that the appeal process costs far more than incarcerating a prisoner for life. It doesn't reduce prison crowding anywhere near as much as abandoning this silly "war on drugs" would. All it does is feed into our obsession with vengeance, which I find to be every bit as troubling as the motivations that lead most death row inmates to their actions, and allow the government to dehumanize members of our community.

And that's without even addressing the issue of flawed evidence and errant convictions.

[ElNono]

Perhaps I can help answer your question. The friction between the penis and vagina is a required ingredient in the creation of a soul. So it is fine to kill those soulless test tube babies since they are an abomination.

You're just a god-hating prick... just saying...

[ratm1221]

Additionally, in cases of rape and incest, I can't even imagine the toll it must take, mentally, emotionally, and physically, to carry a child to term. No one (blatant feminist card: especially no man) should ever be allowed to tell a woman or young girl that she has to live with that for nine months.

Maybe god willed that the girl was raped so she could bring another of gods children into the world. So, indirectly... God rapes women.

[koriwhat]

Maybe god willed that the girl was raped so she could bring another of gods children into the world. So, indirectly... God rapes women.

it's all predestined anyhow right? haha.

[Buddy Holly]

Gotta love the brain washing powers religion has on people. Almost cult like, huh?