Officials: Obama to reverse abortion policy

[jochhejaam]

Death penalty and torture are pro-life?

Separate issues, and arguments most often used by those supporting abortion.


Roughly 700 death row inmates have been executed over the last 10 years.

Roughly 13,000,000 million abortions have taken place over the last 10 years.

That works out to 18,571 babies aborted for every Death Row inmate executed.
That also works out to 3,561 babies aborted each day, and 1 Death Row inmate executed every 5 days.


Her concern is for human life. She could only support one of the candidates.
Based on her convictions and concerns, and Obama's support for abortion rights, she made the correct choice.

[Trainwreck2100]

Do we have to call it pro-life, when most of it's adherants support every war that comes down the pike, and capital punishment, to boot?

pro-baby???

[Duff McCartney]

She exercised her freedom of speech by saying that she doesn't appreciate that the tax money she pays will be used to end life that to her is sacred.
She explained her reasoning for taking exception to Obama's action, yet you chastised her for doing so by telling her to worry about her own life instead of someone elses.
What you refer to as "worrying about someone elses life" is merely dissenting opinion, opinion that is protected by our Cons ution, and although you may disagree with her opinion, you certainly don't want to stifle dissent.

Yes I do. And I will tell that to anyone who says that "He is going to hold us all accountable, accordingly" then critcises a person for it.

Up until very recently I've always tried to give angel_luv the benefit of the doubt but I don't anymore. I see that her facade of being nice and loving is nothing more than a cover for her judgemental ways regarding a persons lack of faith.

Even ballijuana knows it to be true. I hold her and her personal beliefs in utter contempt not because of what they are. But because of how she does think she KNOWS everyone is wrong. I'm all for someone having their beliefs and their opinions and whatever else they want. It's not my place to tell them they are wrong in what they believe. But it's my OBLIGATION to stand up when they try to influence and judge other people for what they don't believe.

Personally, I couldn't give a what she believes..or what you believe. I hold christianity on the same level as scientology. Neither is more true than the other. My problem and I know I'm not alone, is that her uttering things like "You've ignored Gods commandments" and blah blah blah is complete bull .

[ploto]

Separate issues, and arguments most often used by those supporting abortion.


Roughly 700 death row inmates have been executed over the last 10 years.

Roughly 13,000,000 million abortions have taken place over the last 10 years.

That works out to 18,571 babies aborted for every Death Row inmate executed.

That also works out to 3,561 babies aborted each day, and 1 Death Row inmate executed every 5 days.

They are not separate issues- they are all issues of life. Your argument is used by Republicans who claim to be pro-life but who support war, torture, and the death penalty and who care nothing of the quality of life of these children. You do not even care if they have health care so how do you really care about their lives?

If you believe that every single human life has infinite value then numbers do not matter. One million lives has no more value than 1000 or 100.

[ploto]

I see that her facade of being nice and loving is nothing more than a cover for her judgemental ways regarding a persons lack of faith.

I think when the Bible talks of not judging, it means precisely of what you refer. It does not mean that we should not discern right from wrong or standup for what we believe to be moral, but that it is not our place to judge anyone else's faith or what is in their hearts. Simply based upon what someone says or does, we do not know the integrity of their search or their attempts to discover the meaning in their own lives.

I do think it mostly comes from what she is told at her church. I have asserted that indeed what she believes is not the Bible or God, but her minister and whatever he says the Bible or God means. That is why she can not formulate her own response to anything and she does not really "listen" to what anyone else writes. She is here to evangelize you and convert you- not have an intelligent discussion with you.

[Trainwreck2100]

They are not separate issues- they are all issues of life. Your argument is used by Republicans who claim to be pro-life but who support war, torture, and the death penalty and who care nothing of the quality of life of these children. You do not even care if they have health care so how do you really care about their lives?

If you believe that every single human life has infinite value then numbers do not matter. One million lives has no more value than 1000 or 100.

How are you any different, you about war, death penalty, and torture, yet you smile upon abortion. If you believe that every single human life has infinite value then numbers do not matter. One million lives has no more value than 1000 or 100.

[ploto]

How are you any different, you about war, death penalty, and torture, yet you smile upon abortion. If you believe that every single human life has infinite value then numbers do not matter. One million lives has no more value than 1000 or 100.

I do not smile upon abortion - you must have never read my posts. I oppose all forms of action that damage life- abortion, war, torture, no health care, etc... I just think that the Republican party took the abortion issue as a way to get a block of voters. They had 6 years of control over the White House and the Congress and did nothing to lessen the number of abortions in this country. Their claims are not supported by their actions. My views are consistent- I challenge those who are not.

I am pro-life but I have compassion which seems to be lacking in many who claim to be. Many of the very same people who want to protect these unborn babies seem to be the ones who want least to fund any programs to help these women raise these babies once they are born- as if the obligation of protection ends at birth.

[ElNono]

A.L. doesnt believe in answering hypotheticals

Nothing hypothetical about my question. It's a fact that insemination exists and happens right now.

[koriwhat]

that. I don't know who that thinks she is telling me or anybody else, in an extremely vindictive, stupid way, that we've rejected God wholesale. That's a pretty ed up, ultra personal, accusation to make about someone you know nothing about. That stupid and her ing simple-minded take on my Christianity are an affront of unheralded proportion. you angel luv.

you need to get laid bro... but don't knock that up, please!

[jochhejaam]

They are not separate issues- they are all issues of life. Your argument is used by Republicans who claim to be pro-life but who support war, torture, and the death penalty and who care nothing of the quality of life of these children.

Foolishness, I don't know of a single person that support/likes war, unfortunately, to avoid destruction (not talking about Iraq) at times it is a necessity. The POTUS has an obligation to do whatever is necessary to protect the people. I'm sure the current President would agree with that.

You do not even care if they have health care so how do you really care about their lives?

False accusation (if not rescinded that would make you a liar. Would that bother you?).

Some form of Health care is currently available to all children in our Country.

If you believe that every single human life has infinite value then numbers do not matter. One million lives has no more value than 1000 or 100.

So God is no more disturbed by the 25,000,000 abortions that take place worldwide every year than if only 1 abortion had occured.

A foolish thought indeed (a pattern has developed here)



You are in a boat with two people; one is a best friend who you consider a God-send, the other is a convicted, remorseless rapist, murderer.
Both go overboard and you have the ability to save one or the other, not both;
Would you be inclined to throw the life-saving device to one over the other?

[MiamiHeat]

why, why in the are we funding china for anything?

we have our own freaking problems and we are sending taxpayer cash to help china?

[Heath Ledger]

All babies are formed in their mother's womb by God.
Abortions end that life and are historically heart wrenching and physically hard on the women that have them.

I want my money to go to doing as CF suggested- educating woman in both career and home health matters and providing medical treatment and provisions so moms can properly care for their babies and be well themselves.

I know there are a lot of issues that need to be addressed. But abortion is not the answer.

and here I was thinking babies were brought to us by storks. Thanks for enlightening me.

[Heath Ledger]

Only god can judge, right? So you wouldn't have to answer to god for not judging someone and speaking out against it. Like all things religious, your beliefs conflict each other.

God doesn't do anything about abortions, death, genocide, disease, innocent children burning to death in their beds because their mother left her curling iron on... but he expects you to? How appropriate.

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Angel Luv is seriously drinking that kool-aid ain't she.

[Heath Ledger]

It has to do with honoring God and standing up for what is right.

I love God and want to see His purpose fulfilled on the earth and abortion is not it.

God instructs us to defend the defenseless and unborn babies definitely fall into that category.
If God had not intervened on my behalf, I would have been aborted.
I know this for a fact because my birth mother told me the story of how God changed her mind.

LOL so why doesn't GOD INTEVERNE with all aborted babies mamas before they get it done? Cuz you and your mama are special in God's eyes?
LOL

Delusions are a powerful thing.

[Heath Ledger]

Angel Luv, why do you strike me as the type of self righteous christian nut that thinks bombing an abortion clinic would be prim and proper?

[Kriz-Maxima]

You are in a boat with two people; one is a best friend who you consider a God-send, the other is a convicted, remorseless rapist, murderer.
Both go overboard and you have the ability to save one or the other, not both;
Would you be inclined to throw the life-saving device to one over the other?

If you refer to yourself as a good christian doing what God and the bible ask you to, then you throw the life saving device to one and then jump to get the other.

If you are unwilling to jump then stop talking in the name of God.

[angel_luv]

What a shame. I'm not saying this is how you feel but you basically put unborn fetuses above our soldiers.

Wow- this thread grew leaps and bounds over the weekend.
The babies cannot speak for themselves, whereas at least the people can choose whether or not to join the military.
Furthermore, Kerry was incredibly wishy washy with his campaign.
His stance changed with every audience whose questions he answered.

I had no confidence in Kerry putting an end to the war, so felt that we would remain at war, regardless of which candidate was elected.

For the record, I opposed us going to war with Iraq- all the more so after we went anyway, even though no weapons of mass destruction were found.

[angel_luv]

Um, I'm not quite sure how I can say this without sounding like a , but please don't attach my name to your beliefs.

The only point of my earlier post is that abortion is not the only service that family planning agencies provide. Or, more specifically, that the president's decision to lift the ban on funding for such agencies is not, in any way, the same thing as killing babies.

I'm sorry. I meant only to credit you with what I felt to be your genuine concern for womens' wellbeing.
It was not my intention to speak for you.

[Wild Cobra]

Do we have to call it pro-life, when most of it's adherants support every war that comes down the pike, and capital punishment, to boot?

I agree with you that we name things improperly. Now, I ask that you apply the same standards to the names of the things the left comes up with. Talk about improperly named...

[Wild Cobra]

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Angel Luv is seriously drinking that kool-aid ain't she.

I disagree. I would say she has a heart. Something most liberals don't have.

[Wild Cobra]

I never understood how lib s can be for abortion and against the death penalty? Kill the innocent and protect the guilty?

Talk about ed Up!

Anyone?

Please... This silence is deafening!

[angel_luv]

Death penalty and torture are pro-life?

I am strongly anti- death penalty, which was the reason I would not vote for Bush in 2000, since he never granted clemency at all as his time as Govenor.
I doubt all those convictions were correct or that there was no situation which he could have commuted death to a life sentence.

But again with the death penalty, much as I want to see it abolished, people know it exists and so that is the risk they take when they commit murder.

Babies, on the other hand, are completely defenseless.



For those claiming that all pro-life advocates are only concerned with unborn babies:
I was raised from age 3-18 with foster siblings, several of whom have been my only family at various stages of my life. ( Especially in recent years before I met Bo and when my mom was away in China serving as a missionary.)

Due in great part to my closeness to my sisters ( we long ago dropped the "foster"), I have a heart for the wellbeing of all children, those already born and those still in the womb.

I want to have at least five kids. I want to be pregnant. I want to adopt. And also I would like to be foster parent at some point.
I really love kids.

[Heath Ledger]

Those poor kids. Sadly they will have your religious views crammed down their throats just because they happen to be at the wrong place at the wrong time.

[angel_luv]

Three things:

1) It is true that I cannot see any of your hearts and to those of you who I seemed to condemn as a person, I do apologise.
I may be over zealous in my approach at times. I will try to be wiser about that.

2) I one hundred percent, absolutely, and with no apology stick with my stance that abortion is the murder of innocent children whose life was purposely created by God. As such, abortion ought to have no place in our country or the world.

3)I know you guys don't enjoy the fact that I insert God into everything, but the reality of my life is that Jesus is the center of everything.
And if that lessens any of your opinions of me, I will live with that.

[Heath Ledger]

If there is one way to be "judged" by peers its when religion or politics are discussed.
Everyone has different views, morals, and opinions. If you are willing to throw them out there, just be willing to hear from those who strongly disagree with you. I'm sure you are a good person.