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blake got ruined so bad by whottt it has to be timvp logged on as blake
That's not what you asked.
I can tell you you have a little more than a rudimentary knowledge of reading comprehension since I never brought up the word "race."
You did that all on your own, jeenyus.
Oh my bad...Mr. non-bigot, allow me to restate:
There is no such thing as a white genetic code, a white man genetic code, a black genitic code or a black man genetic code.
Damn, deja-vu.
And why should you have to Nazi?
The difference for one, is that you can quit being a smoker. A Black person cannot quit being Black.
I am not indirectly claiming any such thing, I am very much directly claiming it.but then you are indirectly claiming you are smarter than me in genetics
There is substantial evidence a person can be genetically pre-disposed to it, as there is with a great many addictions. And I already answered that question for you Blake.so if it's possible for some people to be born with a cigarette attached to their lips, let me know.
You're an idiot.so to be clear, you are saying it's ok then for an employer to not hire a smoker because of insurance concerns as long as that same employer is consistent and doesn't hire Blacks for fear they might steal?
No there aren't. Smoke in and of itself has no health benefits.
Uh yes there are.
Oh I'm glad you're entertained, because being stupid sucks pretty badly, and it's nice to know you can at least get some entertainment.you are without a doubt one of the most entertaining.
And I never said it was, you're just an idiot who thinks I said that, you do that a lot....it's why I tell you you are stupid a lot.Yes you are. Discrimination is not the same thing as bigotry.
And you don't know what the race card is. I illustrated a parallel to racial discrimination, I didn't claim the smoker was a victim of racial discrimination.You just changed one word "smoker" to "Black", remember? It's actually right here on this page.
You are just forgetful.
Blake, I am putting you down because you are stupid, and I don't mean stupid in terms of education or because you haven't taken a genetics class.Na, when a person has to stoop down to directly and incessantly insulting people and putting other posters on their ignore list, it means they are getting owned. Just my opinion.
I am putting you down because you attribute statements and positions to people they don't have, attempt to tell them they are arguing things they are not, and attempt to do things like argue on genetics when you have little or no understanding of them.
It's not all equal Blake...you see I have taken several genetics course and my degree just so happens to be in anthropology, and I am about to enter grad school. I am not arguing from a postion of ignorance, on the subject of genetics, on the subject of evolution, I am not doing it when I argue on religion, I am not doing it when I argue on race or ethnicity either....I may not be all knowing or anything, but I at least have some form of base. You OTOH, near as I can tell, don't even google for the basics of subjects you enter into arguments on before doing so.
And you know what? I'm not arguing from a positon of ignorance when I argue on smoking either. I've been both a non-smoker and smoker you see.
You otoh are likely totally ignorant on every one of these subjects except for being a non-smoker and think it's not a factor, you think it's something you can work around by posting irrelevant links or leaving parts of quotes out of statements. And you think you can do it by attributing positions to people they do not have.
You also take jokes made by comedians on color and attempt to use them as the foundation of a genetics debate.
That is why I call you names Blake.
Oh well did you also pay attention to the fact that I answered your black and white genetic code question directly and you left that out when you quoted me?
You got some PCT facts wrong which throws your argument off a bit more.
I paid very close attention to that.
Is it deliberate? Or is it accidental? Which one is it, are you a stupid bigot or just a naturally and inherently dishonest person?
I don't...I actually hope you realize that any discourse between us is going to be a verbally absusive exchange that accomplishes absolutely nothing of great import aside from you becoming knowledge by virtual osmosis, which is actually what you want whether you realize it or not.It'll actually improve my opinion of you once you come to that realization that is what is going to happen every single time, untile you either stop doing it, or stop arguing with me....Posting to responses on a general message board hardly qualifies as me caring about you.......no matter how much you might wish I did.
I admit, I do not know if you do it on purpose or deliberately, I do not know if it's genetic, or something you can cease to do...if it's accidental and something you cannot control, them I am sorry, but you are still the one instigating the argument 90% of the time. I suggest you stop attempting arguments.
And or couse I do know that. It's rather obvious and common knowledge, that probably some 4 year old can parrot.you being the jeenyus and all, I figured you would know there is a link to smoking and a myriad of health problems beyond lung cancer.
However that doesn't mean there are no health benefits from it.
Why does your brain work that way...
I mean, that because there are negatives, there can be no positives? Or no exceptions? Even when they are pointed out to you. Again, that is the bigoted mind at work. That is exactly how it works and it is why the term bigot is so very applicable.
And I know exactly what the word bigot means as should be blatantly obvious to anyone reading a post of mine, especially in this thread.
Of course I do, but you're an idiot.you really don't know how to connect dots, do you.
It's got nothing to do with book smarts...and everything to do with personal honesty. Being honest with yourself about what you know and what you don't. Pretty stupid to not be honest with yourself, because the only person that lie is going to totally fool, is you. It's entirely your problem and entirely not mine.eh. I may or may not be book smarter than you. It doesn't really matter.
Well, I'm about to begin work on my graduate degree in a field that encompasses history, genetics, race, religion, ethnicity, culture, architecture, invention, and drug use, both recreational and religious, over the course of the entire history of man. Not to mention the causes of gender, racial, ethnic and religious, ineaqulity, persecution and discrimination. And war.In cases like this, I let real experts and web links put posters like you in their place.
I am glad it gives me a pretty good overview for arguments I frequently find myself embroiled in on this particular message board(but that's because those are the ones I choose to involve myself in because of my base of knowledge), unlike yourself.
It's good that I get some use of out of that knowledge...because it pays for .
No it isn't."Smoking has healthy attributes" is a half truth.
you said it's the stupidity and the refusal to admit it's discrimination and bigotry.....
if there is no moral obligation involved and the odds are that a smoker or a Black person will cost you money down the road, how exactly is it stupid?
I'll be paying close attention to your response.
Because statisical generalizations are pretty much useless in evaluations of individuals...because there will be exceptions to those statistical generalizations...and they lead to overwhelmingly bad judgements.
They lead to what I like to call, iconic, historic stupidity of epic proportions. Defining stupidity for all time. Being the standard by which all other stupidity is measured.
As I said initially, the oldest person who ever lived(that can be proved to be the oldest) was a smoker, and it's not a half truth.
I imagine her Doctor entering a reverse mortgage agreement in which he agreed to pay her $500 a month for the rest of her life for ownership of her house upon her death, probably was going with what the stats said about smokers, not to mention aging, similar to the same stats insurance companies use to dictate discrimination to employers, with her 85 year old smoking ass, at the time he entered that agreement with her...
I imagine he felt incomparably stupid 30 years later as he was dying, years before she would die, having paid her $180,000...for absolutely nothing.
That is why it's stupid, especially when it comes to business Blake...and I already answered it when I answered your Drob analogy. Much like I answered in the very first post I made before you even made a post to me in this thread. You just didn't get it. Idiot.
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blake got ruined so bad by whottt it has to be timvp logged on as blake
Boy are you guys ing lazy, I feel sorry for your employers.
And it's never worth it to argue with me blake...all the non-idiots realize that immediately, and most of the idiots do to...eventually.
Why don't we meet and see which one of us can inhale the most smoke without becoming incapacitated...it'll matter in a fire...a leading cause of death, usually due to smoke inhalation.
By calling him an idiot and saying he has degree or something?
Pretty much laughable
What's so funny about it? You evidentally can't even handle walking past a smoker...you think you can handle being in a room full the real stuff?
I mean are you seriously doubting that? Go find a friend that smokes and take the same size drag off a cigarette he does, then tell me who coughs worse.
Go smoke a whole pack, then tell me who is better off...you will be puking your guts up, he will not.
The fire isn't going to give a that you don't like smoke or that you think you are healthier you see.
What's your next big laugh, that a non-drinker can handle alcohol better than a drinker?
All things considered, if I had to choose between two drivers of equal caliber when sober who had just drank a bottle of wadka, an alcoholic, or a non-alcoholic, I'm going with the alcoholic every ing time. And I don't drink either.
And BTW, the second oldest person who ever lived? A Japanese man who drank black rice wine, pretty much every day of his life.
But that's not my favorite...my favorite is this man:
That is Chan Kin, the last true Mayan...you see that jet black hair he has? He is over a hundred years old in that photo.
He smoked, the real tobacco, the black stuff, the stuff that will make you hallucinate. He also ingested toad poison, every day for a hundred years or so. He had no health insurance, no medical doctor...he lived in near total isolation from the perfect saccharine world you and your ILK seek to build.
He also fathered a child at the age of 96.
I know Poland, you already knew that didn't ya.
That's why your opinion is not going to change one bit...
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maybe in poland
How stupid it is is beyond me.
It's like training smoking because you want to inhalate more smoke because you can be in a situation like 'fire', smoke whatever.
What a crap whottt.
It's make as much sense as if you would have to run because some gang members are chaseing you. You would get caught not Blake because blake is jogging every day and is not smoking. See the point?
- do not tell me about alcoholI'm from Poland you know nothing about alcohol. And also some people can drink more some can not. And it can be a huge diference and not because some ppl are training drinking.
And what the longliving got to do with smoking?
Smoking can shortrn your life but many people are eating good stuff not smoking but get the genetic disease.
Smoking justincreasing the risk of having a cancer and other .
I can't walk by smokers? I do it mostly evey day, and whottt If we have met in a park on a party in your house and I would spread gas I mean farts all the time, you would be happy smelling it probably. Yes?
The poblem is I hate that smell and it's insuling me when somebody is not respecting my freedome having a 'clean' air.
I thought you had degree or something
i don't smoke
That's not why I smoke, you and your ILK are saying there are no health benefits to it, and I just pointed one out. That is not why I smoke. I do not smoke so that I will not get Parksons or Alzheimers either. But ya'll are saying there are no health benefits from it...
Ya'll are wrong, I am not.
Well since the oldest person who ever lived was a smoker, perhaps there is a connection?It's make as much sense as if you would have to run because some gang members are chaseing you. You would get caught not Blake because blake is jogging every day and is not smoking. See the point?
- do not tell me about alcohol
And what the longliving got to do with smoking?
I mean the lung cancer stats from Japan are different than those of the rest of the world, or were at some point, perhaps it is not simply smoking in and of itself that is the problem, but a combination of factors including smoking.
I am can pretty much tell you that the way to a short life above and beyond all others is not being overweight, or an alcoholic, or a drug addict, or a sex addict...
It's trying to live a life you hate, in a job you do not truly want, in a marriage you do not truly want to be in. That is what'll kill you faster than anything else. In that situation, if you smoke or drink, they'll be guns, they won't be what pulls the trigger.
Maybe because in trying to avoid everything people tell you is bad for you, they go against their own hearts, maybe because all that stuff that everyone says is so bad for you, is not all bad.Smoking can shortrn your life but many people are eating good stuff not smoking but get the genetic disease.
You get cancer when you have a weak immune system, nothing weakens your immune system more than supressing yourself.Smoking justincreasing the risk of having a cancer and other .
Cancer is a natural process that breaks the body down after you die, everyone is going to get it, if not alive, then when they are dead. The problem is when you get it when you are alive...so it stands to reason that you need to make sure you are alive, and that your body knows it. And yes that still won't be enough.
Oh well,. I hate it when people feel en led to tell me like I am going to lung cancer or what a filthy habit is...cuts both ways. That's a ty thing to do so I must be ty to them back.I can't walk by smokers? I do it mostly evey day, and whottt If we have met in a park on a party in your house and I would spread gas I mean farts all the time, you would be happy smelling it probably. Yes?
The poblem is I hate that smell and it's insuling me when somebody is not respecting my freedome having a 'clean' air.
I thought you had degree or something
In my country Poland, the non-smokers get 95% of the space, and still they ...they are clearly the assholes, not I.
Seriously what health benefit is it?
What does it cause for human body to be more healthy?
nopeWell since the oldest person who ever lived was a smoker, perhaps there is a connection?
There are so many aspects (for human long living) that noody can tell why the guy was living that long. It's envoirnment, way of living , genetics and milion more.I mean the lung cancer stats from Japan are different than those of the rest of the world, or were at some point, perhaps it is not simply smoking in and of itself that is the problem, but a combination of factors including smoking.
But you can't tell me that puting the smoke into your system is good or giving you health benefits. It's like saying that drinking poison in small samples every day makes you healthier just because one day somebody might want to kill you by poisoning you. Your body will not respse so dramaticly to that poison that the doctors can save you.
Wow give me some poison.
You are right but still they will be the guns that can fire.I am can pretty much tell you that the way to a short life above and beyond all others is not being overweight, or an alcoholic, or a drug addict, or a sex addict...
It's trying to live a life you hate, in a job you do not truly want, in a marriage you do not truly want to be in. That is what'll kill you faster than anything else. In that situation, if you smoke or drink, they'll be guns, they won't be what pulls the trigger.
I know where you headingMaybe because in trying to avoid everything people tell you is bad for you, they go against their own hearts, maybe because all that stuff that everyone says is so bad for you, is not all bad.
I'm not telling you that. Do whatever you want. Smokers can smoke I don't really care.Oh well,. I hate it when people feel en led to tell me like I am going to lung cancer or what a filthy habit is...cuts both ways. That's a ty thing to do so I must be ty to them back.
In my country Poland, the non-smokers get 95% of the space, and still they ...they are clearly the assholes, not I.
The thing for example is when they come to my house and they are allowed to smoke. Fricking bad smell everywhere! But some people are going out my house taking a break for a little puff
At work it's even worse. I give an ashtrey with a big smile. 'Yes ofcourse you can spread that in here and make me inhalate all that stuff.'
btw. yes - stress can be the worst thing to your body, and I have plenty. And like you said I'm one of the guys that do not live like thjey would like to.
Seriously what health benefit is it?
What does it cause for human body to be more healthy?
nope
There are so many aspects (for human long living) that noody can tell why the guy was living that long. It's envoirnment, way of living , genetics and milion more.
But you can't tell me that puting the smoke into your system is good or giving you health benefits. It's like saying that drinking poison in small samples every day makes you healthier just because one day somebody might want to kill you by poisoning you. Your body will not respse so dramaticly to that poison that the doctors can save you.
Wow give me some poison.
You are right but still they will be the guns that can fire.
I know where you heading
I'm not telling you that. Do whatever you want. Smokers can smoke I don't really care.
The thing for example is when they come to my house and they are allowed to smoke. Fricking bad smell everywhere! But some people are going out my house taking a break for a little puff
At work it's even worse. I give an ashtrey with a big smile. 'Yes ofcourse you can spread that in here and make me inhalate all that stuff.'
btw. yes - stress can be the worst thing to your body, and I have plenty. And like you said I'm one of the guys that do not live like thjey would like to.
Oh well I wouldn't expect you to let people smoke in your house. , I don't even smoke inside whereever I am living.
Unlike strike, I love smoking a cig when it's cold and shivery. In fact when I go outside to take a piss I will actually go outside in barefeet just to enhance the shivery feeling.
Here: 80% of the women with this particular gene develop breast cancer:
Women with the gene who smoke have a decrease of over 54% in incidence of getting breast cancer over women who don't.
Maybe that's what draws those women to smoke in the first place?
http://www.forces.org/evidence/files/brea.htm
It's like I said, when I was a teen I got addicted to meth amphetamine,. I got busted went to rehab, the doctor examined me and diagnosed me with a condition that...guess what, they prescribe methamphetamine for. Sometimes you just know...
Another example Reagan was a heavy smoker, smoking protects against Alzheimers, what happened when he quit? He developed Alzheimers. Maybe he knew it on some level and that was why he smoked in the first place.
90% of shcizophrenics smoke...maybe there is a reason they are drawn to it.
What I know is this: It's been part of human existence forever.
And please don't say smoking is the bad way to use tobacco, chewing and dipping is much more harmful.
Well I'm not living alone, and this house it not my house now. My mom sometimes allows her friends to smoke, but thay all know I hate it and mostly we joking about it.
btw. Is it common in your envoirnement that people say
"You've got to die on sooomething ..."
or
"Ohh I got to go and feed the cancer" (going on a cig)
?
Umm you piss outside?
I haven't pissed indoors(*unless i absolutely have too) since 1995 or so. I don't know why...it just feels good. And why waste the water?
All woman with breast cancer or tumor I know were not smoking.
All those % can kiss my ass
I got diferent opinion on that and still I think that humans did not find a right answers.And please don't say smoking is the bad way to use tobacco, chewing and dipping is much more harmful.
I just try not to put too much of anything into my system.
I eat better then worse I do not smoke and hardly drink ...
I got to go
na, I know you like to accuse me of putting words in your mouth, but you being the hypocrite and all think that I'm debating to change your mind.
since you are so determined and feel so strongly about this subject, I'm waiting aroung to see if there's something you will post that will change my mind.
All I've seen from you is "you're a bigot, I'm right, I'm smarter, and I'm working in this field". All pissy fluff and no substance to back up your claims.
I've done my share of research on the subject of the dangers of smoke, and you have shown no real evidence to the contrary. Your ass does not count as a legitimate source not matter how many degrees you might claim you have.
so at this point, unless you can show some hard evidence or even some of your own research on the subject, there is no point in me asking for any more information from you unless I want more biased rants that are riddled with misinformation and half truths.
All I know is that polandprzem makes me laugh...
Blake you are absolutely right. I have totally failed to prove that there actually no negative effects of smoking and they are complete and total fabrication, which is something I have claimed throughout this thread. Masterful argument on your part. Consider me bested. And impressed.
You are now my favorite poster
Unfortunatley I will not longer be able to engage in these sorts of intellectual exchanges with you as I am now posting exclusively at Spurs Report. Personally? I hope you bring your brilliant mastery of communication to Spurs Report so we can continue this sort of high level debate. Look forward to seeing you there soonBack home
Unfortunatley I will not longer be able to engage in these sorts of intellectual exchanges with you as I am now posting exclusively at Spurs Report. Personally? I hope you bring your brilliant mastery of communication to Spurs Report so we can continue this sort of high level debate. Look forward to seeing you there soon
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Let's just drop Blake off at the pool!!!
no, you failed to show positive effects of smoke. Almost all combustible matter is carcinogenic when burned at low levels, such as cigarettes are.
Adding vitamin C to cigarettes and claiming theyre healthy would be an example of the half truths you've been providing.
that's most likely a full lie.You are now my favorite poster
na, I'm not going back to SR any time soon.....most likely never.....and last I checked it was a ghost town. Have funUnfortunatley I will not longer be able to engage in these sorts of intellectual exchanges with you as I am now posting exclusively at Spurs Report. Personally? I hope you bring your brilliant mastery of communication to Spurs Report so we can continue this sort of high level debate. Look forward to seeing you there soon
there's a pool?NnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooo!!!
Let's just drop Blake off at the pool!!!
I doubt whottt's leaving over anything Ive said or done.
Oh there it isAll I know is that polandprzem makes me laugh...
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