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Can you really discriminate like that?
Does anyone here work for a company that does not hire smokers?
I had a candidate interview with a client yesterday who I thought was absolutely perfect for their position. Turns out, they thought so too, other than smelling a "hint" of smoke on her.
Can you really discriminate like that?
Absolutely. Smokers are not a protected class. Just like you can discriminate against fat people.
Well, she's a ing idiot for having a before the interview.
That's actually my biggest frustration.
You know it goes to show how narrowly scoped the ignorant can be if they're willing to turn away a candidate that is likely to excel all because of a vice. Risking profit over a third party's habit has to be one of the dumbest paths of thinking I've ever heard of. I guess you're swimming in qualified non-smoking candidates. People get way too caught up in the perfect picture over the big picture.
My parents both smoke. When my mom was working (she's a stay at home mom) she would drown herself in body spray, febreeze, and all that other extra stuff to keep the smoke out. If you aren't smart enough to hide that stuff than you aren't doing it right.
I don't. And, we all know I still live with them. I'm always afraid that the slightest hint of smoke on my clothes, no matter how clean they are (and how much febreeze I spray on them) someone will think I smoke and throw my application out with the rest of them. And with the area I want to work in, it's pretty important that I don't smoke.
Along those same lines...Katy...if the company does ask for non-smokers...do they usually ask if you don't smoke or are some of them more subtle about it?
We actually have that question on our application. So, all of our clients who need to know the answer can ask us without having to ask the candidate themselves. I think if it's a company policy, they will ask. If it's merely a preference, which in the case above it was, they'll just sniff you.
Ugh. That's what I was afraid of. They could at least ask, because I haven't touched a cigarette in my life, except to hand it to someone. They gross me out.
I guess the old saying of " rises to the top" holds true here. Plenty of good reasons to discriminate in this world but sacrificing potential success over smoking or the hint of smoke has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. Especially in the case of someone like Ash who doesn't even smoke.
What if I ate some BBQ for lunch? OMG don't hire that guy, he's hickory.
Smokers miss more work and file more claims for health and disability benefits.
According to who?
I pay insurance on smokers and non-smokers. I see the quotes and smokers can cost the company $1000 or more a year in higher premiums. It's just the way it works. Smoking is a proven factor in cancer, blood pressure issues, and heart disease.
Maybe she should quit.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11394043/
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates $92 billion in lost wages annually in the United States from smokers who die prematurely. In addition, the economic cost of smoking includes $75.5 billion per year in direct health care costs.
Pwned!
This as about as dumb as looking at someones credit before hiring them. I kinda understand cigs and overweight people but not looking at your credit.
actuarially, smokers and fatties have higher health costs and more lost work days than non smokers and leanies.
While punishing measurably unhealthy people with higher insurance rates would never fly politically, significantly rewarding measurably healthy/fit people with discounted insurance rates shouldn't bother anybody.
unhealthy's pay 100%, healthies pay 75% or less.
$$$ is the best way to motivate Americans, since the culture is not strong enough to shame people into not being overweight or obese or smoker.
Last edited by boutons_deux; 12-04-2009 at 12:38 PM.
That would be the right thing to do---if she were indeed a smoker. I was pulling out of my driveway the other night when the UPS guy pulled up and handed me a package. When I put down my window I didn't smell anything but as soon as I touched that package the cigarette stink almost knocked me out. I had to stop further down the street and throw the package to the furthest corner of my car but it was too late----I reeked and so did my car. Good thing I was just going to a basketball game and not a job interview!
katie what do you do and what was the position for?
I didn't dispute the fact you ing moron.
I'm a recruiter. The position was for a Project Coordinator.
And why can't you spell my name correctly when it's right in front of you?
Even so. If he's a non-smoker he's bound to land a job.
I was wondering that myself.
rofl, sorry, i have a friend katie. Project coordinator for what? You told me absolutely nothing about what you do. recruiter for what? what does your company do?
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