Majority of Republicans believe Obama's a Socialists...

[TeyshaBlue]

We can solve this very quickly: point an example of a socialist regime, please.

Still waiting on you to list all of the statist policies, and which of those Obama has followed. Since it was "pretty much all of them" it shouldn't be hard.

[ElNono]

If you think bush did something socialist, then state exactly what you think it was and we should go from there.

I didn't fail to specify Medicare part D.

Does TARP somehow not count?

No child left behind....

The poll is silly and is meant for creating divisive topics to help the dems.

[ElNono]

NCLB and the Medicare bribe are statist policies, and extremely expensive ones.

I have no idea how can anyone say those policies aren't socialist, statist, policies. Unless using the rationale that "they aren't statist because others have followed statist policies before".

Did you find that list of statist policies that the Obama administration has followed yet?

[admiralsnackbar]

Did you find that list of statist policies that the Obama administration has followed yet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5arm2sw0io

[TeyshaBlue]

Did you find that list of statist policies that the Obama administration has followed yet?

And "pretty much all of them" is not an answer.

[mogrovejo]

Did you find that list of statist policies that the Obama administration has followed yet?

I won't bother. You've stated that the keynesian stymulus isn't statist and in that case, why should I point the other ones?

We have a fundamental disagreement on what cons utes "statism". You believe a policy isn't statist because others have done it before; I find that position too bizarre to entertain serious conversation.

[TeyshaBlue]

So you can't. Ok then.

[TeyshaBlue]

BTW, this whole statist thing was a way for you to show us how Obama is a socialist. Since you can't, please, feel free to admit your mistake.

[mogrovejo]

BTW, this whole statist thing was a way for you to show us how Obama is a socialist. Since you can't, please, feel free to admit your mistake.

Oh, yeah, it's difficult to make the case that Obama is a socialist because he follows socialists policies to people who refute that Obama follows socialist policies because "others have followed the same policies in the past, so those policies can't be socialist".

But I don't really care about not persuading people who adopt that kind of reasoning.

[admiralsnackbar]

Oh, yeah, it's difficult to make the case that Obama is a socialist because he follows socialists policies to people who refute that Obama follows socialist policies because "others have followed the same policies in the past, so those policies can't be socialist".

But I don't really care about not persuading people who adopt that kind of reasoning.

That's fine, but then you can't simultaneously say that it's Obama who is the socialist, when there's plenty of precedent for socialist policy in this country.

[ElNono]

I won't bother.

Figures

[mogrovejo]

That's fine, but then you can't simultaneously say that it's Obama who is the socialist, when there's plenty of precedent for socialist policy in this country.

Huh? Why not? I never said Obama is "THE" socialist.

[admiralsnackbar]

Huh? Why not? I never said Obama is "THE" socialist.

Very well, then -- how far back do we have to go before a president no longer qualifies as socialist?

[TeyshaBlue]

Oh, yeah, it's difficult to make the case that Obama is a socialist because he follows socialists policies to people who refute that Obama follows socialist policies because "others have followed the same policies in the past, so those policies can't be socialist".

But I don't really care about not persuading people who adopt that kind of reasoning.

We simply asked for evidence that Obama was a socialist, not that he has adopted some socialist policies. As stated earlier, adopting a policy does not a socialist make. What needs to be presented to support your ascertation that he is a socialist, is an unbroken line of demonstrative, socialist policies that Obama has put in place. Simply riding herd on an existing policy does not a socialist make. You've failed, miserably, to provide that line of proof. Your ascertation is demonstrably false. In the end, you are incorrect, but not man enough to admit it. Sad, really.

[Winehole23]

We have a fundamental disagreement on what cons utes "statism". You believe a policy isn't statist because others have done it before; I find that position too bizarre to entertain serious conversation.

Another mannerism.

Any notable difference of emphasis from your own august opinion, is often taken for a fatal flaw in reasoning. Maybe too often. With all due disrespect, this line is becoming a little bit of a crutch for you, profe.

[mogrovejo]

The François Mitterrand that in 1988 reformed Healthcare to mandate payment from everyone into the system, including those with no employment but with capital gains. Imagine the horror of the wealthy having to chip into a single payor healthcare too!

I'm more or less familiar with the French public policies in the '80s, but I'm not sure what healthcare reform you're talking about - they've had dozens of them. I can't certainly think of a major health-care reform in 1988. Can you provide a link, please?

In any case, I don't think that the French healthcare system is a good example to follow. I doubt it's sustainable for much longer.

But I do agree that François Miterrand is a great example for Obama to follow though. In his first 2 years in the Élysée, Miterrand governed like a socialist,with huge keynesian programs, protectionism and massive regulations: the deficit exploded, unemployment soured and he quickly became unpopular. He quickly corrected his course and Obama should do the exact same thing.

[Winehole23]

The tone of the condign, avuncular scold suits you well, profe. Well chosen, sir.

[ElNono]

I'm more or less familiar with the French public policies in the '80s, but I'm not sure what healthcare reform you're talking about - they've had dozens of them. I can't certainly think of a major health-care reform in 1988. Can you provide a link, please?

I won't bother.

In any case, I don't think that the French healthcare system is a good example to follow. I doubt it's sustainable for much longer.

Rated top in the world by the World Health Organization...

But I'm sure you know better...

[spursncowboys]

Sorry elnono, to NCLB, Medicare, and TARP: Yes, yes and yes.

[spursncowboys]

That's fine, but then you can't simultaneously say that it's Obama who is the socialist, when there's plenty of precedent for socialist policy in this country.

Now you are changing the definition of a word. Like I said if we want to look at someone else then let's do it. However what George Washington did in his presidency shouldn't decide if Obama is a socialist.

[admiralsnackbar]

Rated top in the world by the World Health Organization...

But I'm sure you know better...

To be fair, sustainability and quality are different qualities, no? Considering their modest GDP taken along with their very lax work schedule, the question of sustainability is certainly valid in my eyes... even if it has zero to do with this thread

[spursncowboys]

Rated top in the world by the World Health Organization...

But I'm sure you know better...

Do their elected officials get to partake in their great socialized h.c.?

[admiralsnackbar]

Now you are changing the definition of a word. Like I said if we want to look at someone else then let's do it. However what George Washington did in his presidency shouldn't decide if Obama is a socialist.

A word seems to be what this conversation hangs upon, so... yes.

At what point do you say someone becomes a socialist? Our political history would seem to prove there isn't a black and white threshold.

[Winehole23]

There was a long twilight of the old republic.

[Winehole23]

Now I believe it's night. There might be a faint afterglow.