Manu Ginobli supports gay marriage

[Blackjack]

You can move gay but you can't remove it . . .

[ChumpDumper]

jack sommerset's going to love this thread.

I mean really love it.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Seriously though, believing people "chose to be gay" is going against extremely basic logic. Why would someone make a conscious decision to be persecuted, to always feel like a fish out of water, to be unable to marry in most states, and to be thought of as not normal. Only a very small handful of people would willingly chose that lifestyle.

[DAF86]

What studies?
Sexual condition is based on your chilhood psycology. The human structure is defined from 0 to 6 years old. In that time you wheter identife with boys or girls.

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/youre...muls-dr-rahman

[DAF86]

Another easily conditioned sheeple who believes the MSM.

The proceeding logic will probably go over your head, but I'll put it down for you anyway.

God cannot deceive (nor be deceived).
God condemns sodomy.
If God creates sodomites, then He deceives us and is evil. This is an impossibility.
God did give sodomites, as He gives all men, free will to know, love and serve God in this world so we can be happy with Him in the next. Those who misuse their gift of free will to choose a sin that cries out to Heaven for vengeance will be damned. Those who do not warn the sodomites of their path to are UNcharitable and objectively sin by omission.

[DAF86]

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/w...yby/index.html

[baseline bum]

Well you know that's a big relief, now I know that when I go to Manu will be there too. Will be cool rootnig for him at the vs Heaven All-Star Game, he's going to kick some serious ass!

Jesus is like a worse version of Roger Mason. Check this weak-ass defense.

[baseline bum]

Another easily conditioned sheeple who believes the MSM.

The proceeding logic will probably go over your head, but I'll put it down for you anyway.

God cannot deceive (nor be deceived).
God condemns sodomy.
If God creates sodomites, then He deceives us and is evil. This is an impossibility.
God did give sodomites, as He gives all men, free will to know, love and serve God in this world so we can be happy with Him in the next. Those who misuse their gift of free will to choose a sin that cries out to Heaven for vengeance will be damned. Those who do not warn the sodomites of their path to are UNcharitable and objectively sin by omission.

Why is evil god an impossibility? Haven't you read the old testament?

[TheSullyMonster]

Another easily conditioned sheeple who believes the MSM.

Man, I had no idea academic journals were mainstream media.

Next you'll be telling me that engineering standards are all bull , and that the ASCE is just a pawn of construction companies and building suppliers to drum up more business, right?

No one opposing gay couple adoption has explained what they think the negative consequences for the children in these situations are.

Please explain what you think the negative consequences for the children raised in these families are.

They're afraid that those children will turn out gay?(The horror! Do you know how traumatic it is to see two men holding hands?!?!?!)

Or they're afraid of more people that will call them out on their bigotry.

[Dunc n Dave]

Actually, believing all gay people are "born gay" is very naive. A majority of the gay community use the "we were born this way" claim as their rallying cry to get people to empathize with them, as if it's the same as a birth defect or something.

Case in point:
MY parents have been long time friends with a gay female couple who were very successful business women in Austin, TX. Both of them, admittedly, did not take up the lesbian lifestyle until they were in their early 20's when the "realized they were gay." Before that point, the general public would consider them heterosexuals, as they either dated or were attracted to boys during their teen years

One of them was obviously the butch one (into fast cars, sports, electronics, didn't date much in HS because of her masculine tomboy features) and the other was the typical girl (dated men, into make up, clothes, etc). They were in a realtionship for nearly 10 years. When the more feminine one decided she wanted a kid, they used artificial insemination to get her pregnant and had a little girl together.

Fast forward 14 years... they have since split up. The masculine one was more interested in her cars and making money than settling down and raising a daughter, so she left the other one with the 3 year old daughter. The feminine one decided (or chose) that she wasn't gay anymore, had 2 relationships with men before finally marrying a 3rd guy, who she is still married to. The daughter (14 now and a god child to my parents) is a normal 14 year old girl who likes boys, name brand clothes, cell phones, etc. The more butch one is no longer a part of their lives.

When the feminine one went through the break up with her lesbian friend and eventually decided she wasn't gay anymore, my mother was the one she would come to for advice. After years of going with the gay anthem of "we can't help it, we were born this way" she admitted to my mother that she, in fact, CHOSE the gay lifestyle because she didn't like the way men treated her in the late 70's, and she felt women understood her more. Now after finding a good man, she realizes she's not gay anymore.

Here's the kicker: She never went on any medication for chemical imbalances in her brain that caused her to override her supposed "born gay" genes, she just decided, on her own to be heterosexual again and now lives a perfectly normal heterosexual married life.

[DAF86]

Actually, believing all gay people are "born gay" is very naive. A majority of the gay community use the "we were born this way" claim as their rallying cry to get people to empathize with them, as if it's the same as a birth defect or something.

Case in point:
MY parents have been long time friends with a gay female couple who were very successful business women in Austin, TX. Both of them, admittedly, did not take up the lesbian lifestyle until they were in their early 20's when the "realized they were gay." Before that point, the general public would consider them heterosexuals, as they either dated or were attracted to boys during their teen years

One of them was obviously the butch one (into fast cars, sports, electronics, didn't date much in HS because of her masculine tomboy features) and the other was the typical girl (dated men, into make up, clothes, etc). They were in a realtionship for nearly 10 years. When the more feminine one decided she wanted a kid, they used artificial insemination to get her pregnant and had a little girl together.

Fast forward 14 years... they have since split up. The masculine one was more interested in her cars and making money than settling down and raising a daughter, so she left the other one with the 3 year old daughter. The feminine one decided (or chose) that she wasn't gay anymore, had 2 relationships with men before finally marrying a 3rd guy, who she is still married to. The daughter (14 now and a god child to my parents) is a normal 14 year old girl who likes boys, name brand clothes, cell phones, etc. The more butch one is no longer a part of their lives.

When the feminine one went through the break up with her lesbian friend and eventually decided she wasn't gay anymore, my mother was the one she would come to for advice. After years of going with the gay anthem of "we can't help it, we were born this way" she admitted to my mother that she, in fact, CHOSE the gay lifestyle because she didn't like the way men treated her in the late 70's, and she felt women understood her more. Now after finding a good man, she realizes she's not gay anymore.

Here's the kicker: She never went on any medication for chemical imbalances in her brain that caused her to override her supposed "born gay" genes, she just decided, on her own to be heterosexual again and now lives a perfectly normal heterosexual married life.

I also have a lesbian friend that didn't "turn gay" until she was 22, she had tons of boyfriends and all that stuff, but then she decided to start dating women, when I asked her why she made that change she told me that she just stopped lying, she was a lesbian all along, she just didn't want to accept it at first.

[Dunc n Dave]

I also have a lesbian friend that didn't "turn gay" until she was 22, she had tons of boyfriends and all that stuff, but then she decided to start dating women, when I asked her why she made that change she told me that she just stopped lying, she was a lesbian all along, she just didn't want to accept it at first.

See that's my point: Many in the gay community use it as an excuse.

You want to choose an alternative lifestyle? So be it... Just don't try to get me to empathize with you by saying you were "born gay" and just didn't realize it until you were XX years old.

Being gay isn't a disease or birth defect, it is an alternative lifestyle you choose to follow, at whatever age you make that choice. Like I said, the girl ADMITTED to my mom she used it as an excuse to defend the fact that she CHOSE to be gay. She wasn't "gay the whole time and just didn't know it."

Otherwise why did she go back to being a married heterosexual for the past 10 years, if her brain wasn't made to function like a heterosexual's brain?

It's an overused and abused excuse, just like pleading temporary insanity when committing a murder. Many people don't want to be held responsible for the choices they make in life, so they latch onto the most popular excuse of the times.

[EmptyMan]

If teh gheys get married it does not hurt you.

If teh gheys adopt a baby and it happens to grow up into a wuss, that is better than being a p.o.s. orphan thug.

If it makes you happy and doesn't cause others harm or impede on their rights, have at it imo.

[ploto]

After years of going with the gay anthem of "we can't help it, we were born this way" she admitted to my mother that she, in fact, CHOSE the gay lifestyle because she didn't like the way men treated her in the late 70's, and she felt women understood her more. Now after finding a good man, she realizes she's not gay anymore.

Here's the kicker: She never went on any medication for chemical imbalances in her brain that caused her to override her supposed "born gay" genes, she just decided, on her own to be heterosexual again and now lives a perfectly normal heterosexual married life.

She was never gay. She chose to live a lifestyle that was a falsehood and she knew it. Just as there are gay people who choose to live a heterosexual lifestyle, but they are not actually heterosexual.

[Dunc n Dave]

She was never gay. She chose to live a lifestyle that was a falsehood and she knew it. Just as there are gay people who choose to live a heterosexual lifestyle, but they are not actually heterosexual.

By whose definition? Yours?

She certainly would disagree, and so would her mate. Are you saying she was putting on an acting job for over 10 years? Damn, then sign her up for Hollywood...

She chose to be gay, just like she chose to be heterosexual again. It's a choice people make. PERIOD.

[ploto]

She certainly would disagree, and so would her mate.

Gay people have chosen to get married but that does not make them straight.

She chose to be gay, just like she chose to be heterosexual again. It's a choice people make.

Your friend chose to act gay because she hated men. That does not make her really gay.

[jack sommerset]

Mangoo must have sucked some in his day.

[Spurminator]

Move to Political forum means you all fail.

[ChumpDumper]

Mangoo must have sucked some in his day.

Even if he didn't, you sure have thought about it.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Actually, believing all gay people are "born gay" is very naive. A majority of the gay community use the "we were born this way" claim as their rallying cry to get people to empathize with them, as if it's the same as a birth defect or something.

Case in point:
MY parents have been long time friends with a gay female couple who were very successful business women in Austin, TX. Both of them, admittedly, did not take up the lesbian lifestyle until they were in their early 20's when the "realized they were gay." Before that point, the general public would consider them heterosexuals, as they either dated or were attracted to boys during their teen years

One of them was obviously the butch one (into fast cars, sports, electronics, didn't date much in HS because of her masculine tomboy features) and the other was the typical girl (dated men, into make up, clothes, etc). They were in a realtionship for nearly 10 years. When the more feminine one decided she wanted a kid, they used artificial insemination to get her pregnant and had a little girl together.

Fast forward 14 years... they have since split up. The masculine one was more interested in her cars and making money than settling down and raising a daughter, so she left the other one with the 3 year old daughter. The feminine one decided (or chose) that she wasn't gay anymore, had 2 relationships with men before finally marrying a 3rd guy, who she is still married to. The daughter (14 now and a god child to my parents) is a normal 14 year old girl who likes boys, name brand clothes, cell phones, etc. The more butch one is no longer a part of their lives.

When the feminine one went through the break up with her lesbian friend and eventually decided she wasn't gay anymore, my mother was the one she would come to for advice. After years of going with the gay anthem of "we can't help it, we were born this way" she admitted to my mother that she, in fact, CHOSE the gay lifestyle because she didn't like the way men treated her in the late 70's, and she felt women understood her more. Now after finding a good man, she realizes she's not gay anymore.

Here's the kicker: She never went on any medication for chemical imbalances in her brain that caused her to override her supposed "born gay" genes, she just decided, on her own to be heterosexual again and now lives a perfectly normal heterosexual married life.

All that proves is that some people choose to experiment with their sexuality... what a revelation!

OTOH, we know that sexuality is widely prevalent in nature - it has been observed in 1500 species, extensively do ented in 500. Here's a link to Oslo Natural History museum which had an exhibition all about it:

http://www.nhm.uio.no/besokende/skif...index-eng.html

So, we know that sexuality is widespread in the animal kingdom - are these animals just choosing to experiment with their sexuality? Um, no. So why would they exhibit sexuality? Genes, and prenatal hormones. There is a lot of peer reviewed science on this in humans.

Not all people who claim to be gay are biologically gay, but most are.

[Will Hunting]

Actually, believing all gay people are "born gay" is very naive. A majority of the gay community use the "we were born this way" claim as their rallying cry to get people to empathize with them, as if it's the same as a birth defect or something.

Case in point:
MY parents have been long time friends with a gay female couple who were very successful business women in Austin, TX. Both of them, admittedly, did not take up the lesbian lifestyle until they were in their early 20's when the "realized they were gay." Before that point, the general public would consider them heterosexuals, as they either dated or were attracted to boys during their teen years

One of them was obviously the butch one (into fast cars, sports, electronics, didn't date much in HS because of her masculine tomboy features) and the other was the typical girl (dated men, into make up, clothes, etc). They were in a realtionship for nearly 10 years. When the more feminine one decided she wanted a kid, they used artificial insemination to get her pregnant and had a little girl together.

Fast forward 14 years... they have since split up. The masculine one was more interested in her cars and making money than settling down and raising a daughter, so she left the other one with the 3 year old daughter. The feminine one decided (or chose) that she wasn't gay anymore, had 2 relationships with men before finally marrying a 3rd guy, who she is still married to. The daughter (14 now and a god child to my parents) is a normal 14 year old girl who likes boys, name brand clothes, cell phones, etc. The more butch one is no longer a part of their lives.

When the feminine one went through the break up with her lesbian friend and eventually decided she wasn't gay anymore, my mother was the one she would come to for advice. After years of going with the gay anthem of "we can't help it, we were born this way" she admitted to my mother that she, in fact, CHOSE the gay lifestyle because she didn't like the way men treated her in the late 70's, and she felt women understood her more. Now after finding a good man, she realizes she's not gay anymore.

Here's the kicker: She never went on any medication for chemical imbalances in her brain that caused her to override her supposed "born gay" genes, she just decided, on her own to be heterosexual again and now lives a perfectly normal heterosexual married life.

Yep, I'm sure people consciously make the decision to lead extremely unstable, ed up lives. It's also funny that you generate the universal conclusion that all gay people chose to be gay based off one particular situation involving a woman who clearly had major mental issues.

None of this answers the question: Why would anyone chose to be gay? What would be the reason behind it? What about being gay makes life easier?

[Will Hunting]

Are you saying she was putting on an acting job for over 10 years? Damn, then sign her up for Hollywood...

If people consciously chose to be gay, then isn't all sexual behavior "putting on an acting job"?

[Dunc n Dave]

All that proves is that some people choose to experiment with their sexuality... what a revelation!

OTOH, we know that sexuality is widely prevalent in nature - it has been observed in 1500 species, extensively do ented in 500. Here's a link to Oslo Natural History museum which had an exhibition all about it:

http://www.nhm.uio.no/besokende/skif...index-eng.html

So, we know that sexuality is widespread in the animal kingdom - are these animals just choosing to experiment with their sexuality? Um, no. So why would they exhibit sexuality? Genes, and prenatal hormones. There is a lot of peer reviewed science on this in humans.

Not all people who claim to be gay are biologically gay, but most are.

You can't accurately compare humans to animals in this matter. Humans have the ability to reason and know right from wrong. Animals do not, they act on instincts; hence the term "animal instincts." If a human knows it is morally wrong to mate with the same sex, they make a choice to follow the moral laws or not to follow. An animal has no choice, as it does not know right from wrong: they act on instinct. Same with killing it's own kind. It feels no remorse for killing, like humans do.

How do you know most gays are biologically gay? Have you interviewed and run hormonal tests on hundreds or thousands of proclaimed gay people's brains and straight people to find a difference in their hormonal makeup? Has anyone? I'd like a link, please...

What you are claiming is impossible to prove in today's society.

It is a convenient excuse that many in the gay community use. I don't blame them for playing that card, though. It's easier to blame it on "your genes" than to admit you made a CHOICE that is unpopular with the majority of people or viewed by many as "immoral." Blaming it on genes will get people to feel sorry for you, because "it's not your fault" that "you are the way you are."

So all you have to do is claim you were gay all along and just didn't know it until you were ___ years old. Who's going to be able to prove otherwise? You're just a victim of genetics...

[Dunc n Dave]

Yep, I'm sure people consciously make the decision to lead extremely unstable, ed up lives. It's also funny that you generate the universal conclusion that all gay people chose to be gay based off one particular situation involving a woman who clearly had major mental issues.

None of this answers the question: Why would anyone chose to be gay? What would be the reason behind it? What about being gay makes life easier?

First, the woman does not have "major mental issues." You would be adivsed not to make an ass of yourself by ASSuming such from one story you heard on a message board.

It's funny the same people who call out Christians for judging sexuals and their lifestyle choices don't see the irony in the situation when they make comments about the mental state of Christians, simply because we believe what they DON'T believe, so we must be brain washed, or fanatics.

Second: Why would anyone choose to be gay? Good question...
Why would anyone choose to rape/murder someone, or become a heroin addict, or cut themselves, or commit suicide? How do doing those things improve life or make life easier? People have the ability to CHOOSE and reason. Some people don't do REASONING too well, and we'll never know what drives them to choose to do these things taht just make life more difficult for them.

[Dunc n Dave]

If people consciously chose to be gay, then isn't all sexual behavior "putting on an acting job"?

The human mind is a scary thing. People can convince themselves of something, only to later convince themselves of the opposite. Example: addicts who don't think they "have a problem" despite everyone else seeing they DO.