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Wow, it is in no way the same thing. To be the same, you'd need to cut the entire head of the penis off.
smh (but don't cut it off)
If someone like mingus brought it up on a sports message board, I have a hard time believing it didn't come up in the court room.
It'll be interesting for sure to see how German lawmakers respond to the court's ruling.
Wow, it is in no way the same thing. To be the same, you'd need to cut the entire head of the penis off.
smh (but don't cut it off)
lol, mutilation is mutilation
It would be OK with me if you squirmed a little.
lol, you didn't know what female cir cision was
You are supposed to lay there quietly for the man that paid to increase the size of your upstairs lady parts.
I dunno, there's kind of a huge difference in this case.
pretty interesting what all of ya have to say. I believe that the reason western practicing Jews/Muslims are worried is that it will destroy a large part of religious iden y/culture, possibly even causing hundreds of male jews/muslims to convert to Christianity. Think about it, Germany puts that law into effect in all the country that bans cir cisions in all male infants until they reach a reasonable age to consent to that sort of practice(14,15 years old??). As guy, I would dread the day my parents would make me get cir cision if were Jewish or Muslim, and I would probably take off running through the window and run away from home. Just like how a male dog senses when he feels his owner is getting him ready to take him to get neutered.
true, but if your intact, they're more frequent, usually bigger(because the penis stays at a semi-erect stage long after your boner starts going down) and you have to wait longer. All because it's more sensitive to touch and rubbing. I never go without double underwear when I go to schlitterbahn/fiesta texas with my girl because I'm not gonna lie, my eyes wander and it activates it.
How does double underwear help anything at all? Is this under jean shorts by any chance?
I'm not really sure what your purpose is here if you agree with me on cir cision. But to follow it up with saying that you don't really have any sympathy for the people who had to go through with this totally conflicts that. Sorry, but I do have sympathy for infants who were strapped down and put through the torment of having their genitals altered. Male or Female, it's ing wrong to deny someone full control over their bodies. Bodily integrity is one of the few rights that are so sacred they should never be denied under any cir stance. The few psychological studies that are out there show a decrease in self esteem and confidence that lasts life long. The trauma has been shown to cause elevated levels of cortisol (stress hormone) even six months after the attack. There was another study done where they hooked the baby up during the procedure and took pictures, which showed changes in parts of the babies brain and they decided to halt the study early to protect the babies. Yes, early adverse experiences cause permanent changes to a babies rapidly developing brain, especially in the parts that control emotion, reasoning, and perception.
As far as the male genital mutilation/female genetal mutilation comparisons go, you really can't compare the 2 because we are so different. I guess the closest comparison would be to clip off the clitoral hood and leave it exposed 24/7, which you would obviously never consent to. The clitoris would eventually dry out and not provide nearly as much pleasure over time, which is exactly what happens to the glans.
The way the 2 differ though, is that the foreskin also has function as well, both in promoting female orgasm, easier entry into the vagina causing less pain, and also prevents chafing and dryness. Also, studies have shown that the 5 most touch sensitive parts of the penis are removed with cir cision. They concluded that on the cir cised penis, the most sensitive part is the cir cision scar on the underside, which as a cir cised man I can confirm is true. Those specialized nerve endings in the foreskin play a special role in gaining and maintaining an erection, help that some men desperately need as they age. Sometimes these embarrassing moments that men have where it doesnt want to get up, that they just attribute to "it happens sometimes" or they blame it on the alcohol well no it doesn't, only in America.
All I'm promoting is genital integrity for everyone, and there is no logical argument against that. You are just picking an argument because you like to do so with me. Look I'm sorry that you feel female dysfunction goes largely untreated, but 2 wrongs don't make a right and at least your dyfunction isn't because of a procedure you didn't want nor consent to. I'm for equal rights and fairness to everyone, including females with sexual dysfunction.
And finally, I'm not just upset because "i read somewhere on the internet that my orgasms could be stronger" as you put it. I've done extensive research on all aspects of cir cision including the psychological, and I feel that it is an attack against masculinity. I base my opinions off studies, professional opinions, my own personal experiences, and also the experiences of others. In this very thread you heard the opinion of someone who's brother had the surgery later in life and he said it adversely effected his sex life. I've heard the same stories from other men who had it later in life. And not all cir cisions are created equally, more or less skin can be removed as well as more or fewer complications, making the results volatile and dangerous. I truly believe that before america can move past all the hate and violence, we need to stop imposing this on our young and defenseless. Your body, your choice.
"Because, after all, we're just supposed to lay there and quietly tolerate it anyway."
I found this especially funny, considering it describes unnatural cir cised sex. Cir cised men have to pound away a lot harder, and with longer strokes to achieve orgasm because of the lack of feeling and removed nerve endings. Cir cised sex promotes dryness, chafing, and painful sex for women. The mechanics of sex totally change. Sex is supposed to be enjoyable, if it isn't, something is missing. A foreskin, perhaps?
this happens to every man <35 years of age, bro. It's called a semi. It has nothing to do with your foreskin tbh.
It's more of a reference to this, honestly:
Lady Hillingdon:
"When I hear his steps outside my door I lie down on my bed, open my legs and think of England."
I meant that your semi is in super Saiyan mode when your intact, I never said that they don't get any semis.
so your saying that American Women are getting shafted?
it keeps it better in place so you wont have to go into embarrassing episodes. I put loose underwear, followed by boxer shorts, then jeans. Not to tight jeans, and not to loose. The boy feels comfortable like that, and it receives fresh air at the same time.
Didn't say that. Didn't even come close.
I didn't compare them.
No, actually, the way the two procedures differ is that in female genital mutilation the entire outer clitoral structure is removed. As someone pointed out earlier, the only way cir cision would be comparable is if it involved removing the entire head of a man's penis. But it doesn't. It's an unnecessary procedure, and one that is done too often, and usually for stupid reasons, and it can lead to diminished penile sensitivity, but it seldom if ever results in a man being unable to ever have sex or to ever have an orgasm.
I asked you last time this subject was raised for the origin of these studies/figures, but all I got were links to other articles and opinion pieces that referenced these figures without offering their source. I remain skeptical. Largely because it would seem counter-intuitive for a body part whose function is, among other things, to protect the penis from over-stimulation to itself be super sensitive.
Promoting genital integrity for everyone =/= suing doctors for making you un-whole 20+ years ago.
You misunderstood this bit as badly as you did the rest of my post.
Yes you did, you said it right here:
You can't read? I said it's impossible to compare to 2, but the closest thing would be to romove a woman's clitoral hood, not the entire clit. I'm sure you wouldn't volunteer yourself for that.
Well here you go:
http://www.nocirc.org/touch-test/bju_6685.pdf
"The glans in the cir cised male is less sensitive to fine-touch pressure than the glans of the uncir cised male. The most sensitive location on the cir cised penis is the cir cision scar on the ventral surface. Five locations on the uncir cised penis that are routinely removed at cir cision were more sensitive than the most sensitive location on the cir cised penis."
Funny you said that, I was reading a scholarly journal where the doctor started off by saying that particularly BECAUSE of the growing risk of being sued, it was time to revisit the stance on cir cision. The doctor fully acknowledged that there was a major liability in performing them and it needed to be addressed. By suing the doctor and hospital, I make them and others hesitant to perform the procedure. Doctors aren't in the business of losing money. The last man to do it got about 60k so it wouldn't be about the money, 60k doesn't even begin to make things right. I'd donate that money to regenerative medicine to help others.
"myth"
http://health.usnews.com/health-news...s-against-stds
In a study of more than 5,000 uncir cised adult Ugandan males, researchers found that after cir cision, the rates of infection with the virus that causes herpes went down by 28 percent, and the transmission of human papillomavirus (HPV) -- the virus that can cause cervical cancer and genital warts -- was reduced by 35 percent.
In a previous study, the same researchers found that cir cision reduced infection with the HIV virus by 60 percent. Two other research groups -- one working in Kenya and the other in South Africa -- have also had similar findings.
LOL
Last edited by cheguevara; 10-16-2012 at 02:46 PM.
uhhhh...it's pretty simple to flop you into the sink and wash it.
damn sounds like a lot of work.
Last edited by cheguevara; 10-16-2012 at 02:46 PM.
The summary of research findings at the bottom of this article is pretty conclusive - either the answer is no difference, or studies finding the exact opposite of another.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_...f_cir cision
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