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  1. #151
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    I just don't think we were meant to win that game. They missed free throws. Things like that is just part of basketball and something you can't really feel bad about. I really think our guys are going to bring it tomorrow.
    One can drive oneself crazy thinking of all the what ifs.

    It's clear many here have already done so. I used to be the same. I stopped.

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    C) You don't bench Manu Ginobili. How many times have we seen him suck for 95% of the game before coming up big at the end? He's done that so often that it's expected at this point. Manu is a player you want on your team when the going gets tough. Sure, he didn't play well last night (yeah, that's being kind) but you don't bench him. Only hindsight would tell you he should have been benched.
    There's a problem with this though. Ginobili was not just having an off shooting night, he was off at everything. In particular his passing and ballhandling was really making it extremely hard on us to get or keep control. Ginobili should have been benched in the first half (2nd quarter) when he constantly screwed up so he could sit on the bench and think about it going into and during halftime. Then come out with a chip on his shoulder and play better in the 2nd half.

    Instead, Pop rode it out. . .and let him suck all the way into the half. Then he come sout of the half still sucking. Goes into the 4th still sucking. Ends the game choking. Then sucks again in OT throwing turnover after turnover then charging into a fully defended paint. It never changed because he never changed how he was playing. Pop rarely gave him the boot up the ass that he deserved to get.

    It isn't just hindsight. During the game I was explaing to my girlfriend about why Pop isn't benching him when it seems extremely obvious that he should be. We started to talk about this in the 2nd quarter, and it extended to every quarter after that too. I thought Pop should have benched him roughly halfway through the 2nd when it was obvious nothing Manu was doing was positive, and left him there until halftime. Maybe it would've lit a fire under him. As the game went on and he continued to suck, it became harder and harder to justify keeping him in. Then of course, as we all know he chokes on the key free throw, commits two terrible turnovers AND charges into 3 Heat players to force up a stupid shot in OT to blow our last real chance at winning. He screwed us in every quarter AND in OT with his ty play.

    Yeah, we've seen Manu suck then turn it on. . .but he rarely turns it around anymore.

    I get why Pop didn't bench him though: Manu just had a great game and Manu's potential is greater than anyone else he could've had in there. Sometimes guys just don't have it on a given night though and you have to go away from the liquid nitrogen cold hands of Ginobili and try something else even if the potential is less.

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    One can drive oneself crazy thinking of all the what ifs.

    It's clear many here have already done so. I used to be the same. I stopped.
    Nice deflection attempt Rumpy.

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    The problem I had with Duncan's touches is the looks he received, tbh..

    It's easy to say he "ran out of gas", but his 2nd half touches were poorly strategies IMO..

    Duncan has struggled all series outside of the post, yet the Spurs decided to play pick&roll and have Duncan catching the ball too far on most of his 2nd half touches..it was the same problem they had earlier in the series, where the Heat fronted Duncan and the Spurs didn't bother to move the ball around to get him in better post position, opting to run more pick&roll instead, tbh..

    Duncan has struggled immensely outside of the interior in this series, but has completely dominated inside..I understand that he's old and gets worn out, but it didn't make sense to me to continuously ignore the option of getting him good post position, rather than running pick&roll against the best pick&roll defense in the league, along with Parker isolating against Lebron ing James, tbh(he made the step-back 3, but that was one of the most difficult shots he's ever made)..

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    I must be one of the most ignorant posters on this board.
    I was decapitated. The type of head I got through insurance was recalled.

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    Nice deflection attempt Rumpy.
    Deflection of what?

    Lots of things went wrong for the Spurs. Lots of things went right for the Heat.

    It's important for you to pin it on one person, and your agenda dictates whom that person must be. It made you start a deflection thread.

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    How cute SA210

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    The problem I had with Duncan's touches is the looks he received, tbh..

    It's easy to say he "ran out of gas", but his 2nd half touches were poorly strategies IMO..

    Duncan has struggled all series outside of the post, yet the Spurs decided to play pick&roll and have Duncan catching the ball too far on most of his 2nd half touches..it was the same problem they had earlier in the series, where the Heat fronted Duncan and the Spurs didn't bother to move the ball around to get him in better post position, opting to run more pick&roll instead, tbh..

    Duncan has struggled immensely outside of the interior in this series, but has completely dominated inside..I understand that he's old and gets worn out, but it didn't make sense to me to continuously ignore the option of getting him good post position, rather than running pick&roll against the best pick&roll defense in the league, along with Parker isolating against Lebron ing James, tbh(he made the step-back 3, but that was one of the most difficult shots he's ever made)..
    Duncan has picked up his offensive shooting immensely the last 2 games. He was shooting in the 30% range and now he is up to 50% at 18 a game.. We need more from him in the post again..

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    Deflection of what?

    Lots of things went wrong for the Spurs. Lots of things went right for the Heat.

    It's important for you to pin it on one person, and your agenda dictates whom that person must be. It made you start a deflection thread.
    HumpTroll off the bench and in for the attempted deflection.

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    HumpTroll off the bench and in for the attempted deflection.
    I realize you can't explain what you are saying. It's jsut a throwaway line at this point.

    Copers can never really back up their so called arguments. It's always ad hominem time. Especially now.

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    I blame Pop for some things and Manu and Tony for some things, with a sprinkle for Timmy, Danny and Kawhi too. I hated the lineup in the fourth. If Pop was really concerned about minutes, he ought to have sat one of them earlier in the third when they were having that great run. He could also have staggered their minutes. I think he's going to have to stagger Kawhi and Timmy more in the next game. Leaving it as late as he did was staggering, imo. That was the collapse that nearly killed them.

    They didn't deserve to be in it when they were. That was sheer will to win. They almost did. I understand why (with some distance) Pop was making the choices he did, but I honestly can't say whether I'd want him to do it again or no.

    Just hope for a different outcome tomorrow night. More people step up to play, they have a fighting chance.

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    Duncan has picked up his offensive shooting immensely the last 2 games. He was shooting in the 30% range and now he is up to 50% at 18 a game.. We need more from him in the post again..
    Because he's actually getting good touches, tbh..

    He got great touches in game 1, game 5 and the first half of game 6..

    The rest of the time, the Heat are fronting and the Spurs don't bother to run high-low or move it around, or they have him running a pick&roll..

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    People are understandably pissed.

    So we all play coach.

    Some choose to assign blame based on long held assumptions, mainly because they can't stand to be wrong. It's amazing to get the feeling that so many posters would have the Spurs lose just to bolster a notion they cannot free themselves from.

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    People are understandably pissed.

    So we all play coach.

    Some choose to assign blame based on long held assumptions, mainly because they can't stand to be wrong. It's amazing to get the feeling that so many posters would have the Spurs lose just to bolster a notion they cannot free themselves from.
    I am really loath to put most of the blame on Manu. Still trying to accept that it happened tbh -- but that helps me consider other factors including Pop.

    I'll not follow others down the rabbit hole though. They are losing their .

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    I felt the Spurs were going to lose last night. They played about as bad as they could play and were up 10 at the top of the 4th. I'll take that. The Heat probably feel like they won the ring already, though they will say differently. The celebrating was likely overdone and it's likely James had to settle them down and remind them they were facing elimination, not playing for the ring last night.

    The Spurs, on the other hand, nothing tell you "get your right" other than a near death experience. They had one last night. They threw away the winning lottery ticket but they have an opportunity tomorrow night to get it back. Yesterday means not a damned thing right now, it's all about tomorrow, and I am not a "believe" person but I don't have the same feeling about tomorrow's game. I think the Spurs have the upper hand here, the hate, the anger, the whatever you want to call it. I think the Heat are high from last night and will still be high tomorrow. James, Wade and Allen probably won't be too high, but the rest of the team could be. They think it's theirs now. That could be their downfall.

    Going into game 7, I would rather have lost a close one than have just won a blowout (other than the ring of course), because how we've responded this series when we had a great game. Same with them.

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    Chump went into hiding after Pop's major meltdown collapse and then came back after timvp made a Pop bailout thread, then uses timvp's words

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    Chump went into hiding after Pop's major meltdown collapse and then came back after timvp made a Pop bailout thread
    SA210 even fails at stalking me.

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    using timvp's words

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    SA210 even fails at stalking me.
    I posted in here first, copycat "copers"

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    Just like you copy all my shticks. If it's good, why not, coper?

    I notice you are only posting about me again -- you don't even give a about the Spurs compared to how much you are enamored with me.

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    shticks

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    Yep, it's all about me and not the Spurs.

    Thanks for proving it once again, coper.

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    Yep, I'm all about me and my post count, not the Spurs.

    Thanks for proving it once again, that I get no pussy

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    I am really loath to put most of the blame on Manu. Still trying to accept that it happened tbh -- but that helps me consider other factors including Pop.

    I'll not follow others down the rabbit hole though. They are losing their .
    Frustrated couch taters.
    I think people need to get out and exercise till they drop.

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    Frustrated couch taters.
    I think people need to get out and exercise till they drop.
    Well, SA210 has a special hatred for me because I made him look bad a few times -- but all the copers could use some perspective.

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