I don't get it...
so, now you trashin' champion hot dog speed eaters?!! did you know that most hot dogs can only be digested 20% of the time? perhaps now you will show some respect for this elite sport...which by the way, is also wildly popular in Japan and Bora Bora.No, I’m from Argentina but have been living in the US for almost 9 years. Unfortunately, I’m stuck with the local ESPN and ESPN2 channels and the hot dog eating contests
I am imagining they rush to a toilet and take an extra large barf bag, just in case the hotdogs come out at both ends.
it's not a joke. I didn't think Argentina was so lucky to get such things as ESPN and hot dog eating contests, so when he mentioned that's what he was watching I thought..hmmm, you must be in the States, and it turns out he is.I don't get it...
We get ESPN, just not the hot dog part, but I wouldn't call that unlucky
I've found this funny quote:
"very interesting discussion except for one thing. yes manu's skin is light but ethincally he isn't white. he's south american not european."
Manu isn't white??? Is he blue? orange? We should stop taking so much in care ethnics, race and stuff. Because reality took us to some places where this kind of discussion are ridiculeous.
I live in Australia, have family from Australia, New Zealand and England.
Am I hispanic, can someone clear that up for me?
I live in Australia, have family from Australia, New Zealand and England.
Am I hispanic, can someone clear that up for me?
Classic.
You probably have some hispanic in you. Us hispanics get around... heheI live in Australia, have family from Australia, New Zealand and England.
Am I hispanic, can someone clear that up for me?
"For a certain segment of the Spanish-speaking population, Latino is a term of ethnic pride and Hispanic a label that borders on the offensive. According to this view, Hispanic lacks the authenticity and cultural resonance of Latino, with its Spanish sound and its ability to show the feminine form Latina when used of women. Furthermore, Hispanic the term used by the U.S. Census Bureau and other government agencies is said to bear the stamp of an Anglo establishment far removed from the concerns of the Spanish-speaking community."
thats the gist of the argument, thank you Kori. There is no genetic basis for race so we are arguing semantics, I for one would rather be called Latino than Hispanic because my culture is more Latin American than Spaniard but either way it is really pointless, suffice to say we are human beings. In any case this sentiment is a result of latinos bonding as *survivors* of Spanish conquest, as opposed to bonding with Spanish conquest. really, it is similar to the US identifying with their continent as opposed to their language: you are identifying with what makes you different from your colonizer (England), not what makes you similar. it is the same with Hispanic and Latino.
and the original list is just a marketing ploy designed to reach as much of the spanish speaking market as possible, hence the use of hispanic, and the inclusion of someone from every possible sport in the list. actual popularity for the entire comprised region and six of the top ten, at the least, would be soccer players, and at most you might get 1 baseball player.
I'd like to tell WHOTT that the USA's political stability has more to do with creating instability abroad than it has to do with a disdain for soccer (if we were to pinpoint a single factor). and even then, he is completely wrong, because the same latinos that follow baseball and football in the states often follow a soccer team, not to mention the white suburban soccer mom movement. So while soccer may not be extremely popular in the US, it is still more popular than rugby, golf, tennis, and other more obscure sports. Once y'all win something it will probably blow up.
i always found it interesting that in soccer you can have a tie game, but to my knowledge none of the big US sports allow for a tie, its always black or white, win or lose.
and why not, I'll also add that if it werent for immigrants bringing their culture and talents to the US, the US would probably not be the super power it is today, so you might want to respect the fact that diversity, not hegemony, is your country's greatest strength (at least in terms of culture).
You probably have some hispanic in you. Us hispanics get around... hehe
reminds me of a really bad pick-up line I once heard in a bar...
obnoxious guy - "So, do you have any hispanic in you"
Me - "No"
O.G. - "would you like some?"
Me -
bad line guys. don't try it.
This is from the US Census Bureau and the Census questionaire:
Scroll down to page 3.
Or I'll just type it for you:
5. Is this person Spanish/Hispanic/Latino
Do you see Latino there, heads?
6. What is this persons race?(check one)
White
Black, Afr Am, or Negro
American Indian or Alaskan Native
Asian Indian
Chinese
Filipino
Japanese
Korean
Viet Namese
Other Asian
Native Hawaiian
Guamanian or Chamorro
Samoan
Other Paciffic Islander
Furthermore...on the demographic breakdown for hispanics provided by the US census it has this footnote:
NOTE: Percentages do not add up to 100% due to rounding, and because Hispanics may be of any race and are therefore counted under more than one category.
Any of you experts on America(this means you Hendrix and Diego) have something to say now, or are you ready to apologize for your ignorance?
All that by the way...is not some CIA plot...it's an attempt to be politically correct and not offend anyone...that's why you got 3 words on some of these selections.
I think it's stupid...but you don't realize that minority/ethnic/cultural groups themselves often embrace their minority status here, they want the division and the segregation...In some cases they get benefits because of it. But more importantly if people want to celebrate their culture and race they are free to do so here...I personally think those are stupid bonds usually, but no more stupid that your primary bond being because you all speak the same language...but that's what being in a free country is all about and some people want to do that.
So how about you just shut the up and don't tell me about the way in which my government defines race and classifies hispanics er excuse me Latinos. Since you don't know what the you are talking about. Like I told you in the first place.
Futhermore...I have some emails for you guys...
[email protected]
That one is for the Miss Hispanic beauty Pageant...you need to tell those racist hispanics what they need to call themselves....
[email protected]
That one is for the Hispanic Heritage Foundation of America...you need to email those hispanics and tell them what they should do.
But just whatever you do...stop being ignorant. Half the people that live here don't even understand how this country works with it's huge cultural diversity, many people cling to their ethnic and racial history as a means of iden y never realizing that when you get here those things are no longer supposed to be the most important thing. That's not what America is about...but that's what many people that don't get it do here, including hispanics......So don't even think you can sit on your ass out there and read some bull propaganda and think you've got us all figured out...hating heads.
DIEG,
That's kind of a stupid way to describe your ethnicity if you ask me...I didn't realize ya'll were all of italian ancestry.
Yeah because...Hispanic is less of a Latin derivative word than Latino.and Hispanic a label that borders on the offensive.
This just in...Latin originated in Europe....just like Spanish.According to this view, Hispanic lacks the authenticity and cultural resonance of Latino,
Why don't you actually go take a look at the US Census before you say something stupid. Don't be a Hendrix.Furthermore, Hispanic the term used by the U.S. Census Bureau and other government agencies is said to bear the stamp of an Anglo establishment far removed from the concerns of the Spanish-speaking community."
And for the 1 billionth time...
The US Census and Government agencies don't sponsor or participate in the Miss Hispanic USA pageant, hispanics do...they didn't create the Hispanic heritate foundation, hispanics did...why don't you tell them what they need to call themselves...and blame the hispanics here for calling themselves that. We don't give a flying what they call themselves, they do.
I think ya'll are more Spanish influenced than Italian...but that's just me. But you are right...it is pointless since they are both Latin in origin.There is no genetic basis for race so we are arguing semantics, I for one would rather be called Latino than Hispanic because my culture is more Latin American than Spaniard but either way it is really pointless, suffice to say we are human beings.
In any case this sentiment is a result of latinos bonding as *survivors* of Spanish conquest, as opposed to bonding with Spanish conquest.
So let me get this straight...your common bond and way of separating yourself from your conquerers, is uniting and celebrating the languages imposed on by your conquerors? Got it.
And I must have missed Spain conquering the Argentines..could you point me to that chapter in World History? Last I checked a lot of them were the ones that did the actual conquerering and colonizing.
Most of us are the descendants of the actual colonizers, and the conquerers, and the slavers, and the slaves and the conquered, and the colonized...and the founders.really, it is similar to the US identifying with their continent as opposed to their language: you are identifying with what makes you different from your colonizer (England), not what makes you similar.
What you are doing is called passing the buck and denying the responsibility of at least some of your ancestors...well at least some of you are doing it...those that aren't are celebrating their conquerors, and their enslavers.
And the main thing we identify with is our liberties...and since most of the immigrants come here for the same reasons...I think that's what most of them identify with. That is the spirit of our bond...and it's not a racial or ethnic bond...at least it's not supposed to be...but then again..we get lot of people that are incapable of bonding beyond ethnic, linguistic. religious and racial barriers, IE primitive barriers...as opposed to ideological ones..and they kind of the place up. Those are those bigots that don't realize they are bigots that I was referring too. They don't get what this country is about...but hey it's America and they are free to be bigoted in opinion if they want...it'd just be nice if they realized it when they are busy calling everyone else racist.
As for our continental identification...Every time we refer to ourselves as Americans we are paying tribute to a person of Latin origin, as is the name we gave our continent, just like you...so exactly how are we biased again?
and the original list is just a marketing ploy designed to reach as much of the spanish speaking market as possible, hence the use of hispanic, and the inclusion of someone from every possible sport in the list. actual popularity for the entire comprised region and six of the top ten, at the least, would be soccer players, and at most you might get 1 baseball player.
I gurantee you when that list comes out...it will be hispanics that made it, conceptualized the formula behind the choices, and did the research on it. I think the reason ESPN deportes employs hispanic is to get the hispanic perspective on things...I think they figure that hispanics probably know more about hispanics than non hispanics do...and so for that reason I think that list was compiled by hispanics...let's see whose name is on it when it comes out.
And for the 1 trillionth time...it's not supposed to be popularity contest...it's based on influence, career achivements, and recent achievement.
I view influence to mean, at least in part...influence within their own countries. And secondary influence...well I'd be wlling to be there are more Dominicans dominating what to them is a foreign league...than there are Argentinians and Brazillians. And I supect the Dominicans will have different opinon on it than you...inspite of your hispanic bond.
DIEG,I'd like to tell WHOTT that the USA's political stability has more to do with creating instability abroad
And I'd like to tell you that you can't grow a tree without an acorn...America is not ever going to support socialist or communist principals and movements...they are the absolute enemy of all that this country stands for and if that's what you want...then don't ever consider us a friend, because we aren't one if that's what you seek. So don't be surprised when we take the other side...and if it just so happens than the socialist side is using terror tactics to protest...well the side we are supporting will probably end up kicking the crap out of the other side...
We did this during the coldwar because #1. Socialism and Communism suck. #2. We didn't want a bunch of Russian nukes stuck up our butts.
Our political stability has to do with a concept called peaceful transfer of power and accepting the will of the people...if the countries we "destabilize" understood than...then we couldn't destabilize them now could we?
This means not commiting terrorist acts when you don't like the popularly elected leader...this means having a military that actually serves the country rather than outside influences, and instead of trying to run it.
Don't worry, I think we are getting closer to having those sorts of problems...but luckily we don't yet and hopefully we never will...but the left here is starting to get that way.
So while soccer may not be extremely popular in the US, it is still more popular than rugby, golf, tennis, and other more obscure sports. Once y'all win something it will probably blow up.
Baseball isn't even the most popular sport here...but it is in some Latin American countries...and those athletes have tremednous influence in their home countries as well as in a foreign league.
i always found it interesting that in soccer you can have a tie game, but to my knowledge none of the big US sports allow for a tie, its always black or white, win or lose.
You can have ties in Hockey. Ties suck, we try to do everything to prevent them...and that's probably why Hockey is the least popular of our major sports....what's the point of playing a pro game if you don't have a winner?
I'll also add that if it werent for immigrants bringing their culture and talents to the US, the US would probably not be the super power it is today, so you might want to respect the fact that diversity, not hegemony, is your country's greatest strength (at least in terms of culture).
Classic..America is the most culturally diverse country in the entire world, I know this...we aren't the ones that have an official national language. But I bet most Latin American countries do..actually...most countries do. I am not going to criticize that...because I actually feel that we should have an official national language.
But that doesn't mean all aspects of every culture have something positive to contribute...
What I mean by backwards aspects is people that don't believe in equal rights for all, or religious freedoms, those that don't believe in Democratic process, and capitalism, and that unite based on ethnic, religious, linguistic and racial ties, over ideological ties, those that represent the spirit in which this country was formed. Those that are the absolute opposite of the principalst under which it was formed.
If your primary world view is bonding via ethnic, religious, linguistic concepts...you are asking for absolute and total corruption.
Like I said earlier...I think the majority of Dominicans will probably have a different perspective on this than you will, and I don't think they'll think the inclusion of two Dominican baseball players was stupid at all..and they are just as hispanic and Latin American as you are. I get it...do you? You are the Latin American...not I.
And Soccer Moms don't give a crap about pro-Soccer, they are called Soccer Moms because their children play it, and they typify the modern housewife, and I think they are supposed to be easy to pick up too or something..but anyway...Childrens Soccer is popular here and always has been...it's just not a popular pro sport. And it sucks to watch. We'll get interested in it when we win at it...until then, it's just not interesting enough to watch when we suck at it.
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"Classic..America is the most culturally diverse country in the entire world, I know this...we aren't the ones that have an official national language. But I bet most Latin American countries do..actually...most countries do. "
Not only do most Latin American countries have an official language, but they also have an official religion!! Argentina , and most Latin American coutries, are officially Roman Catholic. So much for diversity.
I probably shouldn't have bothered posting the above, as I really don't mean to drag this on or cause offense, but I just think some of you Argentines should avoid lecturing us on diversity. That's all.
No more comments about ethnicity please... that seems to have no end...
Ya'll started it.
Jelly, please do your research before spewing nonsense. Even though the Roman Catholic religion is the oficial religion of Argentina (it says so in our Consitution), there is total freedom of religion. Argentina has the third largest Jewish population outside Israel (after the US and England). We have large Muslim and Armenian communities, too.
So before going:
please research the subject.
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No, Hendrix started it, and you, like the mature and sensible adult that you are, felt like insulting every argentinian for it. Well, congrats, this thread is a testament to people's stupidity!
Dude, thats what i was saying all the time.
Ok, I didnt know the actual questions from the Census Bureau... I'm happy that is Hispanic is not considered a race (Told you Jelly)
And that Manu is Hispanic AND white... just like I've been saying.
Please... save it. You look like the nerd in the classroom. "Miss Kori, he started it"
I live in Argentina and I´m protestant... but my taxes (and many protestant, jews and muslim taxes) pays the salary to the catholics priest, bishops and cardenals...
I´m not proud than my country has an official religion... neither if it was a protestant official religion...
Who blew up at Jelly because she wasn't sure if Manu was hispanic??? I'm not telling Kori . IMO you're an ass plain and simple, and so is Whottt. You both turned a simple imformative thread about Manu's success, into a measuring contest with which to express your ignorance and biggotry. Furthermore, you calling me a nerd only emphasizes the fact that you're an inmature idiot, who still thinks "nerd" is an insult!
I believe England has an official religion too. And the head of that (Protestant) religion is the Queen.
Is there religious persecution in England? No
Is there religious persecution in Argentina? No
So who cares if there is an oficila religion?
Me and a lot of non-catholics are worried about it. Because we see some injustice here.
Here I´ve got a lot of critics about pay 10 percent to Pastors and for other way I must pay salary to catholics priests...
Anyways my point is than maybe any country in the world has his own way to discriminate people...
Just today I was arguing with someone who thinks than the jews dosn´t must exist (yep as you read) and he is not the only one with this tought.
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