Do the Spurs need to change the starting back court?

[urunobili]

Butler or Anderson for Green for starters.

[Kawhitstorm]

David West is a better playmaker than Porker

[Kawhitstorm]

That was a STUPID forced shot by Manu........2-for-1 w/ a 2 second game clock/shot clock difference, WTF

[Kawhitstorm]

I agree with you. I think Pop will continue to give opportunities to these guys before altering what they are doing, but he is already subbing Patty and Diaw sooner, and has Patty with Tony a whole lot more together than he's had them in the past. Its possibly because of Patty's shooting, but also because Patty handles the ball and moves off the ball better than Danny, and Danny is currently slumping in his shooting.

In 2013-14, Belly was starting in December b/c Danny was stinking it up to the point that he might have been the worst starter on a contender during the month of December.

[RD2191]

We could have the perfect backcourt with a couple of simple trades that would be easy to make if only RC and Pop would pull their heads out of their ass and take some advice. We should trade Parker for John Wall and Patty for Chris Paul and get it done before the trade deadline.

I know there are some haters who will disagree, but I can't hear you, nyah, nyah, nyah, lalalalalalalalalalalalala La. So there.

Look at this got.

[spursistan]

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[SAGirl]

In 2013-14, Belly was starting in December b/c Danny was stinking it up to the point that he might have been the worst starter on a contender during the month of December.

I missed that time. I wasn't following the team as closely as now. Thanks for sharing that.

[Robz4000]

Welp, I wasn't about it before (still teetering), but it's obvious Mills needs to be inserted earlier at least (or Manu). Team goes from average to the Beautiful Game really quick once he's out.

[sasaint]

I agree with this, and its a big problem. From what I have observed, the offense has a lot of side PnR action with both big men, but neither Kawhi nor Danny are particularly good at this kind of play.

TD likes the left elbow, same as LMA and often many plays end up for TD there, bc he grabbed position early. Tony also has infinitely more chemistry with TD than LMA and as a side effect, many TD PnR actions end up in plays finished by Tony. When you want to go away from Tony finishing plays, I think you also want to go away from TD in the PnR. There is some bumping going on TBH.

As suspected LMA/Diaw is better, since Diaw makes plays from all over, and is not keen on grabbing position in a particular spot.

I think the elephant in the room is that neither Kawhi nor Aldridge are particularly gifted passers. They have demonstrated unselfish play but its better if they are doing what they do best, score, than setting other ppl up.

After tonight, I think Patty has surpassed Tony on both ends of the floor. With the overlap in LMA and TD's positioning preferences and the rebounding deficiencies with the West/Diaw combo, the answer is plain. Starting lineup: LMA, Boris, Kawhi, Manu, Patty; 2nd unit: Timmy, DWest, Butler, Green, Tony.

If Manu didn't flinch at going to the bench, neither should Tony or Timmy, for that matter. In fact, I would argue that playing on our second unit has a certain cache - right now that unit consists of Manu, Patty and Boris, all fan favorites. Moreover, by moving Timmy into the second unit with Tony, we keep Tony in his most effective pairing. (As an aside, while many here think this is probably Timmy's last season, I have my doubts. In fact I think/hope it is the plan to keep TD for 3 years, the final two of which I suspect he is already slated for the second unit, once the transition has been made to "Kawhi and Lamarcus' team.)

Pop will never trade Tony, and I'm afraid that hiding him in the first unit no longer seems realistic.

[HarlemHeat37]

^^ That starting lineup would be absolutely horrendous on defense, tbh..

Spurs aren't going to alter the SL..Pop just has to blend the units, whether it's matchup-based or rhythm-based, and have quick hooks when needed, that's all IMO..

[SAGirl]

I am not sure what can be done about the SL, despite having premier scorers and an elite 3 pt shooter they are not in sync, Tony is not ideal with them unless he's scoring and we are not winning that way. I am not saying he should be passive all the time, but he lacks in playmaking. Of everyone in the SL he is the one most exposed. I also saw Danny with too many plays off the dribble or taking midrange jumpshots. Seriously, if we are having our SG make off the dribble plays and go for midrange jumpshots go to Anderson. I know he looked bad tonight, but he's now been bit by the hesitation passive bug and the Pop will bench me timidness. Guys need to play to get confidence.

The starting unit is consistently getting outscored. If we are counting on Manu to turn back the clock on a nightly basis we are in trouble fir the long run. I agree at some point Pop might have to pull Tony' s ear or experiment more than he has. He's been unlikely to bench Tony. Like many say, maybe we even get past the Clippers last season if we play Cojo at least fir 10 minutes. Right now Pop succeeded in getting Lamarcus going but the SL is still out of sync.

[kaji157]

The easiest move you could do is insert Patty and bench Tony.
That way you can rest Manu a bit more letting Tony handle some offenses for the second unit and having him fresh to finish games.
The problem with Parker as of now is that it seems that whatever player attacks him and scores.
If that is the case then he won´t do good for the second unit as he will take away ball movement and be a worse defender.

[Mouth is Bleeding]

Tony Parker is not a starting pg anymore.

Until he starts defending, he is probably not even a backup if you're a serious championship contender.

Spurs would not stop winning if he was relegated to third pg.

Not gonna happen of course...

[Mouth is Bleeding]

Parker not benched and diminished there would be no 2014 Championship.

Parker benched and diminished we win the Clippers series.

Whether we pull the plug or not on Parker will also determine this season.

[Mouth is Bleeding]

Sure there will be times where he'll be scoring but any scrub pg in the league will and can do that.

He needs to concentrate on defending first and foremost then do an Avery impression on offense fully taking a backseat. At least there are some signs of that which is step one.

Then he needs to lose tons of minutes to Patty and Manu and every time he is failing defending or that we can't hide him somewhere and put Danny on the pg or that he is overdribbling instead of penetrating and on top of that chucking he will need to be benched in the 4th quarter.

Those are the minimums and we can at least have minimum hope of getting to challenge Golden State.

[HI-FI]

Welp, I wasn't about it before (still teetering), but it's obvious Mills needs to be inserted earlier at least (or Manu). Team goes from average to the Beautiful Game really quick once he's out.

but dribble dribble dribble dribble pass is beautiful too

[ceperez]

After tonight, I think Patty has surpassed Tony on both ends of the floor. With the overlap in LMA and TD's positioning preferences and the rebounding deficiencies with the West/Diaw combo, the answer is plain. Starting lineup: LMA, Boris, Kawhi, Manu, Patty; 2nd unit: Timmy, DWest, Butler, Green, Tony.

If Manu didn't flinch at going to the bench, neither should Tony or Timmy, for that matter. In fact, I would argue that playing on our second unit has a certain cache - right now that unit consists of Manu, Patty and Boris, all fan favorites. Moreover, by moving Timmy into the second unit with Tony, we keep Tony in his most effective pairing. (As an aside, while many here think this is probably Timmy's last season, I have my doubts. In fact I think/hope it is the plan to keep TD for 3 years, the final two of which I suspect he is already slated for the second unit, once the transition has been made to "Kawhi and Lamarcus' team.)

Pop will never trade Tony, and I'm afraid that hiding him in the first unit no longer seems realistic.

I would go with LMA, Boris, Kawhi, Green, Parker for the first team.

and Duncan, West, Anderson, Manu, Mills for the 2nd team. Having Duncan and LMA on the court at the same time just congests the lane for Kawhi and Parker.

In fact, I would say that having LMA, Duncan and Leonard in the court at the same time is problematic in offense.

Right now, the first team sucks despite having so many good games by Leonard.

[dabom]

The first team isn't too great because they have to carry a POS washed out worst starter in the league.

[dabom]

Kawhi Duncan LMA/Manu have been getting us ugly wins so far

[apalisoc_9]

Kawhi Duncan LMA/Manu have been getting us ugly wins so far

[Kawhitstorm]

I missed that time. I wasn't following the team as closely as now. Thanks for sharing that.

Talking of sharing......You are so selfish! You’re going to have that body the rest of your life and why won't you share it w/ me for one night?

[100%duncan]

How about Patty Manu?

[still.focused]

The only change that needs to be made is getting Parker off the ball
Cant start Mills because hes undersized SG not a PG and you lose his bench spark
Cant start Manu because Patty Mills & the 2nd unit thrive on his playmaking & you lose the bench ENTIRELY
The only immediate answer is McCallum which Id be okay wit
He a high motor, younger, faster & larger NBA PG.
Not sold on his scoring but thats not something we need out of our starting PG at at
Its actually what we need least. Hed only have to score enough to keep defenses honest
Sadly,m its gonna take some kinda historic event to ever see Parker benched
Just like the ball hes not going to give up his starting role willngly no matter how much it makes the team better

[SASdynasty!]

We're 2 shots away from being 6-0 with Parker as a starter. We're gonna be fine.