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Pointing out the moral failings of conservatism as determined by you.... The Arbiter of Conservatism.
You mean the point where I asked you a simple question and you refused to answer until I defended a position that I hadn't taken?
lol Ima risk my life saving these refugees just as soon as I get these bills paid off.
Pointing out the moral failings of conservatism as determined by you.... The Arbiter of Conservatism.
I guess, if you want to keep repeating this because you think it shows something or upsets me, that is your choice. I have pointed out it is flawed, as well as unfair. I have also deliberately left out a few things for the sake of brevity, because they are less relevant to the conversation.
You are defined by your choices. What does that choice say about you?
I asked you a question that I wanted answered, you ignored it, and asked something else.
Should the conversation just be one way? Do you think that will be productive?
I didn't ask you to defend something you didn't believe. I merely asked a question. Feel free to outline what you think we should do at any time.
Quite frankly, I doubt anyone even can define the term. I use it loosely.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism
... but since US conservatism nearly always votes for the oligarchy's s in the Repug party, I'd say practical, not academic, conservatives share responsibility for the Repug assholes and all their immoral, unethical , Repugs valuing the oligarchy's donations way above the welfare, well being of America and non-oligarchy Americans.
Be happy to answer your question, if you would do me the respect of answering mine first. I didn't think it was that hard, and feel it is important.
Why do you give Syrians such a priority to become Americans? I mean if it is just about compassion then why aren't you making the same argument to bring over a billion+ people from around the world because they are suffering?
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You have asked a very good and important question, imo. It should be answered by anyone taking my position, but you first.
We should allow more of all of them in. A yearly quota with a fairly high limit, in the hundreds of thousands range. Allocate whatever resources that takes.
Most of the people in the cue now from Syria are:
Children (no parents)
Women with (children)
Neither demographic is predisposed to either crime, or extremist behavior likely to kill people.
Your question is now answered, Snakeboy.
Now you have another choice to make.
I am going ask you what we *should* do about refugees. A solid policy proposal, with whatever moral or logical reasoning you think underpins that.
The excuse that I am somehow misrepresenting your position can be removed merely by acceding to my request that you clarify it, and I have also removed the excuse you have given that I have somehow not answered your question. Take some personal responsibility, and stop making excuses.
Are you going to choose to do the ethical thing, and answer honestly, or ... ?
Last edited by RandomGuy; 08-01-2017 at 09:38 AM.
Still waiting SnakeBoy
Your actual position? What do we do?
lol
It took 9 months for you to give this dodge of an answer to my question
but now your impatient for an answer?We should allow more of all of them in.
I'll accept it as an answer even though it really isn't but you'll just have to wait until I feel like typing an answer to your question.
FWIW:
10-12-2016
RG asks SB a question. Post 102
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...=1#post8748127
10-12-2016
SB ignores question by asking a question. Post 114
10-12-2016 Post 118
I state that I would be happy to answer your question, if you answer mine, and further stated that your question was a good one.
10-13-2016
You posted something about skittles and M & Ms that I didn't quite follow. Post #121
Last edited by RandomGuy; 08-02-2017 at 03:52 PM. Reason: better answer. More factual, more respectful.
Are you delusional or just lying deliberately?
I asked you a question in post #114. If you had a question for me before that point it out.
I've been saying you've reached bouton's level but the funny thing is it only took bouton's a couple of minutes to give an honest answer as to why he thought Syrians should receive special preference. You still haven't answer that question. Maybe you've become more Chumpdumper than bouton's.
See above. Sorry for the confusion.
Like most things, it looks like two people talking past each other somewhat.
lol two people
I was never talking past you. Let's summarize...
I asked you a question, you refused to answer until I defended a position I hadn't taken
I gave my general position on the topic (I'm guessing you didn't understand the bite size candy analogy)
You continued to ask me to defend a position I hadn't taken while proclaiming you were going to do everything possible to personally help Syrian refugees
9 months later I asked you what you actually did to help and you basically said not much but once your done paying off bills you'll do more.
Then you went back to asking me to defend a position that I hadn't taken cuz Repugs! (I'm guessing)
Uhh...that's you asking mingus a question.
You typed something about M & Ms and skittles. If you think your point was well made, or clear, it wasn't, at least not to me. I think I have deciphered it, but would prefer a more direct statement, because I vastly prefer clarity.
I am not now asking you to defend any position, merely clarify your own position.
Can you do that?
Polygraphs don't work. IF you want effective screening, you would not include them.
"we can't save everybody, so we shouldn't save anybody"
You seem to take great effort to criticize and ridicule me for not doing more, as far as you are aware.
Not wanting to do anything, seems pretty ... hollow.
Did I get it right? If not, please expand on your actual position.
This is common. The SJW types have a goal of feeling better about themselves, which means they have to feel they are better than you. They don't actually want to do anything about situations, just talk about it, blog, comment over coffee in a protected environment. Then they'll recharge their "I'm an activist, I matter" battery and be good for another few weeks until another topic emerges, then it's back to the keyboard or coffee shop for more activism.
This is common. People like youself have a goal of feeling better about themselves, which means they have to feel they are better than others. I would guess you do even less than I do. You don't actually do anything about any situation, because you are selfish, and well, stupid. It doesn't occur to you that other people might actually genuinely care, because empathy is something that eludes you, in your rush to feel superior, however flimsy the reason.
You see a tiny bit of information, think you know enough to determine reality, then build up some imaginary person out of ignorance, spite, and selfishness. This imaginary person allows you to feel superior, so you can toss out cute acronyms like SJW as shorthand for these made up people, all the while ignoring your own selfish pettiness. If these imaginary people aren't good people, then you don't have to be either.
Since I am smarter, and more considerate in reality than you are, I realized that I and my family can't help everyone. We sat down as a family, children included, and prioritized our time and effort, and put abused children, disabled, and homeless at the top of a rather sad, long list of human misery and prioritized accordingly. As part of our financial planning, we set a budget for charity, and decided that paying down debt first would allow us to take the money that would have gone to large financial ins utions, could instead go to people who actually need it. We give a little bit to a lot of causes, and some more than others. Next year, because of what we have done this year, we will double our spending on charity and can comfortably maintain that level.
You probably wouldn't understand terms like time value of money, free cash flows, and marginal income, or marginal utility. I could try to sit down with spreadsheet and show you that I can do more over the long term to help if I first pay down debts for a year, but you are likely too stupid to understand what you see. It involves math.
Snakeboy seemingly likes to fancy himself a bit investor type, and he doesn't seem to understand the time value of money either, or doesn't want to, because he wants to feel superior too.
What I find ultimately amusing, is that I left out a few other details of what I have done, just to see what Snakeboy, and now you apparently, would do with information that suggests I don't do much.
You chose to say, essentially, "Well we shouldn't help because RG who says we should, doesn't really do anything either".
This really marks you both as people with poor critical thinking skills. You did exactly what conservatives almost always do, which is fail spectacularly at moral and logical reasoning. I might be a murderer, but if I say "you shouldn't murder people", that doesn't mean that murder is ok. The truth of the statement "you shouldn't murder" stands or falls on its own merits, regardless of who says it.
The truth of the statment "we should help more" stands or falls on its own merits.
Tossing a life line to someone drowning doesn't take a genius. It just takes someone who realizes that other people have value, and who can do what is right.
You don't actually want to do anything about situations, just talk about it, blog, comment over coffee in a protected environment. Then you'll recharge their "I'm an activist, I matter" battery and be good for another few weeks until you find someone else to imagine yourself superior to, or another "SJW" topic emerges, then it's back to the keyboard or coffee shop for more activism. The Conservative Avenger to the rescue of those poor oppressed white christians.
Everyone wants to feel better about themselves. Some just aren't self delusional to the point where they think blogging and ing in comments sections, Facebook, Twitter and coffee shops actually matters. When I feel strongly about something I act on it, and blogging isn't acting - it's acting like you're acting.
I know reality, it's painted all over this place. They could be good people, but they are full of . Those two aren't mutually exclusive.You see a tiny bit of information, think you know enough to determine reality, then build up some imaginary person out of ignorance, spite, and selfishness. This imaginary person allows you to feel superior, so you can toss out cute acronyms like SJW as shorthand for these made up people, all the while ignoring your own selfish pettiness. If these imaginary people aren't good people, then you don't have to be either.
Of course, and I decided that paying off my mortgage and stuffing my retirement account to the brim would allow me, post mortem, to be more charitable.Since I am smarter, and more considerate in reality than you are, I realized that I and my family can't help everyone. We sat down as a family, children included, and prioritized our time and effort, and put abused children, disabled, and homeless at the top of a rather sad, long list of human misery and prioritized accordingly. As part of our financial planning, we set a budget for charity, and decided that paying down debt first would allow us to take the money that would have gone to large financial ins utions, could instead go to people who actually need it. We give a little bit to a lot of causes, and some more than others. Next year, because of what we have done this year, we will double our spending on charity and can comfortably maintain that level.
"Mom... I'm hungry, we haven't eaten in a week, what are we going to do?"
"Son, as soon as RandomGuy catches up on his bills, he'll ship us some Ramen"
"Top Ramen I hope"
"Of course, don't be silly, we wouldn't eat it otherwise"
"RandomGuy is our hero, or will be when he catches up on his bills"
"What about DMC?"
"He's a prick, him"
If you only got paid for your blogging...You probably wouldn't understand terms like time value of money, free cash flows, and marginal income, or marginal utility. I could try to sit down with spreadsheet and show you that I can do more over the long term to help if I first pay down debts for a year, but you are likely too stupid to understand what you see. It involves math.
I understand you need money, who doesn't. I just don't sit around pretending I'm saving the world, when I'm doing what everyone else is doing which is to "catch up on my bills".Snakeboy seemingly likes to fancy himself a bit investor type, and he doesn't seem to understand the time value of money either, or doesn't want to, because he wants to feel superior too.
You lot are the real judgmental ones. I don't give a if you donate or not. I give to St Jude all the time, but I don't point at you and call you careless because you want to be solvent first. Your empathy is up to you. Deeds, not words.
Then you have your reward: you're bragging online about how charitable you are. Great for you. I just lifted up my left asscheek and farted.What I find ultimately amusing, is that I left out a few other details of what I have done, just to see what Snakeboy, and now you apparently, would do with information that suggests I don't do much.
No, we should help if we feel we need to, why brag about it? Are you going to win the internet?You chose to say, essentially, "Well we shouldn't help because RG who says we should, doesn't really do anything either".
Who gives a what it marks with you? How many hopeless families will die so you can catch up on your bathroom upgrade payments?This really marks you both as people with poor critical thinking skills. You did exactly what conservatives almost always do, which is fail spectacularly at moral and logical reasoning. I might be a murderer, but if I say "you shouldn't murder people", that doesn't mean that murder is ok. The truth of the statement "you shouldn't murder" stands or falls on its own merits, regardless of who says it.
Exactly, I don't know either.
Then it doesn't need to be said. "I should help more" is more appropriate.The truth of the statment "we should help more" stands or falls on its own merits.
Good thing you came along, charity didn't exist prior to that.Tossing a life line to someone drowning doesn't take a genius. It just takes someone who realizes that other people have value, and who can do what is right.
There goes the race card. SJW through and through. Probably white, embarrassed by it, feels he needs to contribute to the non-white struggle but damn, those college loans and other daily costs of 1st world living just make it so hard.You don't actually want to do anything about situations, just talk about it, blog, comment over coffee in a protected environment. Then you'll recharge their "I'm an activist, I matter" battery and be good for another few weeks until you find someone else to imagine yourself superior to, or another "SJW" topic emerges, then it's back to the keyboard or coffee shop for more activism. The Conservative Avenger to the rescue of those poor oppressed white christians.
I'm atheist.
Jeez you're stupid.
The SJW types have a goal of feeling better about themselves,
goddamn, you're stupid and a ing racist
What's the word you keep using instead of the N word?
RG says "white christians" and you call me racist for saying "SJW"?
, you tweaked off mother er.
You and Snakeboy made an issue of what I do, and how little you think that is. So describing what I actually do is "bragging?" (shrugs) Whatever. You don't get to have it both ways.
RG: "My strategy involves planning and using the time value of money concept to max out what I can actually do. It involves math you dont' understand because you are an idiot."
DMC: [Statements attempting to make fun of RG that demonstrate a complete ignorance of this financial concept]
(sighs)
You don't know what you don't know, and when someone tells you there is something you don't understand, you double down anyway. I guess I could have been a bit nicer. That's on me.
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Last edited by RandomGuy; 08-04-2017 at 03:47 PM. Reason: toning it down a little.
Neither do I.
What I can do matters very little in the grand scheme. It sucks, but that is reality. I don't think I am saving the world at all, just trying to make it better for having been here. No more. No less.
No I didn't. I was commenting on SJWs in general. You just feel guilty and you're lashing out.
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