Have you realized just how awful Simmons numbers are?

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I think Simmons is staring an SJax in 2003 situation in the face here. He's either going to go somewhere on a really cheap, 1+1 contract, to show he can be a man outside the Spurs system, or the Spurs are going to bring him back on the cheap to be a roleplayer. This kind of sucks to be him, but Tyreke Evans taking $3.5M or so kind of set the market - Tyreke being younger with a more productive history, which is counterbalanced by his injury issues...

[BackHome]

He wouldn't even be in the league if it wasn't for the Spurs I think he will be very VERY HAPPY with 3.5 mill paycheck..

[cjw]

I think Simmons is staring an SJax in 2003 situation in the face here. He's either going to go somewhere on a really cheap, 1+1 contract, to show he can be a man outside the Spurs system, or the Spurs are going to bring him back on the cheap to be a roleplayer. This kind of sucks to be him, but Tyreke Evans taking $3.5M or so kind of set the market - Tyreke being younger with a more productive history, which is counterbalanced by his injury issues...

He's a restricted free agent. If he goes "somewhere" on a cheap 1+1 deal the Spurs almost certainly match, though they wouldn't be able to trade him for a year. S-Jax got a bigger one year deal in Atlanta.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q101

[TheGreatYacht]

He wouldn't even be in the league if it wasn't for the Spurs I think he will be very VERY HAPPY with 3.5 mill paycheck..

no

Especially not when D-League Green and Manure just came off last season earning $24M combined while Simmons earned $800k

[Ice009]

I think Simmons is staring an SJax in 2003 situation in the face here. He's either going to go somewhere on a really cheap, 1+1 contract, to show he can be a man outside the Spurs system, or the Spurs are going to bring him back on the cheap to be a roleplayer. This kind of sucks to be him, but Tyreke Evans taking $3.5M or so kind of set the market - Tyreke being younger with a more productive history, which is counterbalanced by his injury issues...

How long will the Spurs wait, though? I remember at some point they told Jack that they're moving on and it's too late to re-sign with them. Will they give Simmons a deadline if he takes too long?

[MaNu4Tres]

How long will the Spurs wait, though? I remember at some point they told Jack that they're moving on and it's too late to re-sign with them. Will they give Simmons a deadline if he takes too long?

Spurs can afford to wait bc they hold his bird rights ( they can go over the cap to re-sign if needed) & hes restricted.

Jackson wasnt restricted. He was UFA

[SAGirl]

How long will the Spurs wait, though? I remember at some point they told Jack that they're moving on and it's too late to re-sign with them. Will they give Simmons a deadline if he takes too long?

Tomorrow is the deadline to unilaterally withdraw the QO which would make him an unrestricted free agent.

I think at this point, him being restricted is really hurting him bc the market for bigger contracts has dried up, roleplayers are signing cheaper 1 or 2 year deals and no team is going to tie up capspace with an offer that they suspect Spurs will match, or they have to make it so high as to be unpalatable for the Spurs, in which case it might be unpalatable for the team giving it as well. All the middling and mediocre regular season numbers are there for other teams to see and they might care squat about playoff Simmons if the dude is not going to be reliable in the regular season which is what they need him for. I am not saying they wouldn't have interest, but not "I am going to give you a poison pill type" interest.

[south side spur]

There's really no rush on either side. Maybe it's wishful thinking but I think the Spurs have the leverage now since no team has made an offer. As long as Ginobili hasn't made a decision it seems like the Spurs are just fine waiting for Simmons.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Post the bump in salary cap ..Wings of the same ilk as Simmons have been way over paid. He brings athleticism ..A degree of versatility and compe ive rigour and has grown slowly but well for his role. 9 million per year for a four year contract is par for this league and will lock up a player who is a potentially good sixth man for sometime .. I would still take Simmons over someone like Kyle Anderson for the future because Kyle while being a decent and a smart player is not a fit for today's fast paced athletic NBA. His shot making is pretty much absent because of his slow release..His lateral movement is slow and smarts cann only take him so far...A back of the bench player. Simmons is more erratic.. needs to improve his jumper and prone to some mental mistakes but his athleticism is a major plus and when on a song he is good enough as a slasher, a finisher and even a midrange shooter besides providing sturdy defense and some basic ball handling. . a good backup to Kawhi . If Manu retires..He is a no brainer to be kept. If Manu returns.. the Spurs will keep Simmons if he signs for ~10 * 4 a la Green and if he doesn't ..They will ride with Forbes and White.

[EIC]

Basically the Spurs are: Kawhi Leonard, a power forward who can't show up for big games, another over-the-hill power forward, yet another over-the-hill (injured) power forward, an over-the-hill point guard coming off an Achilles, an over-the-hill shooting guard, and a bunch of end-of-the-bench role-players.

Sig worthy (with my edits).

[koriwhat]

Simmons shows up big in big games. The season opener against the champs. The playoffs (against the champs).

He likes the bright lights, a bit like Horry (but a different skillset, of course).

The Spurs don't need guys for the regular season -- they'll be fine. They need players who match up with Golden State and Simmons does that.

Exactly!

[ceperez]

Exactly!

Yes that's exactly right. Unfortunately, Aldridge is a regular season guy.

[Ice009]

How long will the Spurs wait, though? I remember at some point they told Jack that they're moving on and it's too late to re-sign with them. Will they give Simmons a deadline if he takes too long?

I wonder if this is what the Spurs did. Same as Sjax, got tired of him ing around with them.

Other free agents such as Pau are probably waiting for their contracts, and maybe they can't talk numbers with them if they couldn't agree on a number with Simmons?

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I'm glad someone is pointing this out. He might evolve into a decent rotation player but his ceiling is pretty low.

Basically the Spurs are Kawhi Leonard, a power forward who can't show up for big games, another over-the-hill power forward, yet another over-the-hill (injured) power forward, an over-the-hill point guard, an over-the-hill shooting guard, and a bunch of end of the bench role players.

An accurate realistic take

[ducks]

Dude thought those numbers equal 50

[SAGirl]

https://orlandomagicdaily.com/2018/0...-simmons-shot/
interesting article. perspective from a magic's fan.

[ducks]

Simons is like Murray in a smaller role ok big role not
Atleast Murray is not there yet could make it(hope so)

[ducks]

I still would prefer Simmons here especially over Paul

[SAGirl]

He didn't want to remain a fringe bench player. That is what guys don't understand and he's getting 20 Million in 3 years to Brandon's unguaranteed rookie minimum. Just no comparison right now.
Anyways. just thought the article was interesting. Simmons still struggles to play off the ball a whole lot.

[ducks]

He did not want to be but right now still that is all he is. Still wish him the best.

[daslicer]

I miss his dunks and energy plays but it is what is.

[cjw]

Simons is like Murray in a smaller role ok big role not
Atleast Murray is not there yet could make it(hope so)

Murray is also 7 years younger. Simmons is turning 30 the offseason after this upcoming one.

[TheGreatYacht]

Aw man, what a terrible backfire from the guy that brought us goods like "Start Bertans" & "BP3 > Simmons"

[TheGreatYacht]

In before Fathead fluffers try to discredit his 34pt performance after they bopped up their boy for dropping a whole 12pts against this same defense

[vy65]

Holy what a godawful take