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    All the ones being proposed right now are completely idiotic and would do NOTHING to prevent mass murders.

    And you clearly know zero about ar15's, or any of their variants, much less ballistics, so stop trying to sound all smart

    There are MANY guns, rifles and even handguns that create wound channels much more devistating than the standard .223 round from an ar15. It is actually a small caliber gun, so much so that is virtually all places its not even approved as appropriate for deer hunting

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    All the ones being proposed right now are completely idiotic and would do NOTHING to prevent mass murders.

    And you clearly know zero about ar15's, or any of their variants, much less ballistics, so stop trying to sound all smart

    There are MANY guns, rifles and even handguns that create wound channels much more devistating than the standard .223 round from an ar15. It is actually a small caliber gun, so much so that is virtually all places its not even approved as appropriate for deer hunting
    Lol you deer hunt

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    Nope

    Nice deflection tho

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    Pro gun would want the cell phone to have 6 more screens to text on simultaneously so they can feel safe.


    luv it when in a debate someone flips a foolish example back on the originator, well done.

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    Let’s take the cops guns and fbis guns to
    Because a few of them are bad so let’s get rid of those people having guns
    Be consistent left
    They are trained to protect and serve why would anyone argue that?!

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    All the ones being proposed right now are completely idiotic and would do NOTHING to prevent mass murders.
    So they support no proposed gun regulations.

    And you clearly know zero about ar15's, or any of their variants, much less ballistics, so stop trying to sound all smart

    There are MANY guns, rifles and even handguns that create wound channels much more devistating than the standard .223 round from an ar15. It is actually a small caliber gun, so much so that is virtually all places its not even approved as appropriate for deer hunting
    Are wounds caused by AR15 type weapons significantly different from those caused by handguns?

    Yes or no.

    Feel free to give the testimony of trauma surgeons who have treated both to support your "wound channel" argument.

    Thanks in advance.

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    Pro gun dumb asses still love to pretend that Australia doesn't exist and that there isn't tons of studies showing that more guns in a country = more gun deaths.

    Quite the opposite of their dumb ass more guns makes the country safer rhetoric.

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    Somehow gun laws work in the rest of the world. You're one of an idiot, Hector.
    Tell that to the people of:
    Venezuela
    Mexico
    Brazil
    Columbia
    China
    Ukraine
    Honduras
    Chile
    South Africa
    Turkey
    etc...

    Here on the home front stricter gun control laws have not produced lower homicide rates. See:
    Washington D.C.
    Chicago
    Detroit

    I'm not going to stoop to name-calling simply because your POV differs from my own. I simply don't agree with your position on the matter. Government authorities cannot be depended on to respond to all crimes. IF they could the crime rate would be zero. The very fact that crimes exist show that government response is deficient - it's a fact that is proven day-in, day-out.

    Under that context, and because I am a law abiding citizen I will protect my family, my home, as best I see fit. You don't have to like it.

    1. Washington, D.C.'s gun ban worsened the city's homicide rate:

    In 1976, D.C. implemented a law that banned citizens from owning guns, as only police officers were allowed to carry firearms. Those who already owned guns were allowed to keep them only if they were disassembled or trigger-locked. Trigger locks could only be removed if the owner received permission from the D.C. police, which was rare.

    According to prosecutor Jeffrey Shapiro, the results were not good. Annual homicides rose from 188 in 1976 to 364 in 1988, and then increased even further to 454 in 1993. The gun ban was struck down by the Supreme Court in District of Columbia v. er, and homicides have steadily declined since then to 88 yearly murders in 2012. While Shapiro admits that there were other factors involved with the decline in homicides, lifting the gun ban clearly did not result in a rise in murders.


    D.C. still has some of the strictest gun laws in the country and consequently is one of the most dangerous places in the country to live, but the facts clearly show that homicides in D.C. rose after the ban was implemented and then subsequently declined after the Supreme Court ruled the law uncons utional.

    2. The gun bans in Australia and Britain also didn't work.
    Australia and Britain are both hailed by the Left as evidence that gun control works. However, the facts tell a different story.

    Two studies – a 2007 British Journal of Criminology study and a 2008 University of Melbourne study – concluded that Australia's temporary gun ban had no effect on the gun homicide rate. Crime Research Prevention Center president John Lott had similar findings.

    "Prior to 1996, there was already a clear downward [trend] in firearm homicides, and this pattern continued after the buyback," wrote Lott. "It is hence difficult to link the decline to the buyback."

    "Again, as with suicides, both non-firearm and firearm homicides fell by similar amounts," Lott continued. "In fact, the trend in non-firearms homicides shows a much larger decline between the pre- and post-buyback periods. This suggests that crime has been falling for other reasons. Note that the change in homicides doesn’t follow the change in gun ownership – there is no increase in homicides as gun ownership gradually increased."

    In Britain's case, the Crime Research Prevention Center found that after the gun ban was implemented, there was initially a severe increase in the homicide rate, followed by a gradual decline once Britain beefed up their police force. However, there has only been one year where the homicide rate was lower than it was pre-ban:

    Additionally, there was an 89 percent e in gun crime from 1998/1999 to 2008/2009, all of which occurred after the gun ban.

    A closer look at the actual facts show that the Left's favorite examples of Britain and Australia are actually examples of how gun control doesn't work.

    3. The vast majority of mass shootings occur in gun-free zones.
    The Crime Research Prevention Center determined that since 1950, nearly 99 percent of mass public shootings have occurred in gun-free zones. The terror attack in Orlando, FL and the shooting that murdered singer Christina Grimmie in June also took place in gun-free zones. The reason is obvious: deranged murderers want to be in a position to murder as many as possible, so they target areas where they're least likely to find armed resistance, which happen to be gun-free zones.

    As Lott points out, there are 320 million people in America but only 628,000 police officers, so it's impossible for the police to protect everybody. That's why it's prudent for citizens to arm themselves.

    4. According to Lott, there is a clear correlation between higher firearm ownership and reducing police killings.
    The conclusion he came to was that there is a 3.6 percent decrease in police killings for every percentage point increase in those owning a firearm. Naturally, the inverse was also true: Lott found that "from 2013 to 2015, the six states (plus the District of Columbia) that banned open carry actually experienced higher rates of police death (20.2 versus 17.3 per 100,000 officers)."

    No wonder a recent National Association of Chiefs of Police survey found that 86.4 percent of 20,000 police chiefs and sheriffs support concealed carry and are overwhelmingly against further gun control. In light of the recent murders of cops, it has become even more important to have an armed citizenry.

    5. There is also a correlation between fewer mass public shootings and higher gun ownership.
    According to Lott and the University of Chicago's Bill Landes, between 1977 and 1999 "right-to-carry laws reduced both the frequency and the severity of mass public shootings; and to the extent to which mass shootings still occurred, they took place in those tiny areas in the states where permitted concealed handguns were not allowed."

    6. As the number of guns per person has increased, gun violence has declined.
    This is according to the Centers for Disease Control, which found that gun ownership increased by 56 percent, and yet gun violence declined by almost 50 percent between 1993 and 2003. If the premise of gun control zealots were correct, then wouldn't gun violence have increased during that period of time?

    7. The number of defensive gun uses are higher than the number of criminal firearm uses.
    There was a range of 500,000 to over 3 million defensive gun uses in 2013, according to research from the Ins ute of Medicine and the National Research Council published by the CDC. That same year, there were 11,208 firearm homicides and 414,562 nonfatal illegal gun uses, according to the CDC and National Justice Ins ute, respectively. Even when taking the low end of the defensive gun uses, it's clear that there are more defensive gun uses than criminal gun uses by Americans.
    Besides...

    From a leftist piece:

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...shootings.html

    "If mass school shootings were the only form of gun violence in the United States, the case for treating the regulation of firearms as a pressing policy issue would actually be fairly weak. For the past quarter-century, there has been an average of one mass murder (a killing of four or more people committed with any weapon, as opposed to just firearms) in an American school each year. Every one of those atrocities is a blight on humanity. But it is nearly impossible to design a policy that can bring the incidence of an already exceptionally rare crime down to zero — and given the inherently limited nature of legislative time and resources, it would make little sense to prioritize such a marginal and difficult issue over public health challenges that kill exponentially more people.


    There is no “school safety” crisis in the U.S.; only a gun violence epidemic that consists primarily of suicides, accidents, and single-victim homicides committed with handguns. In the decades since Columbine, progressives have often led the public to believe otherwise. And for understandable reasons. Spectacular acts of mass murder committed against children (especially upper-middle class children in “good” public schools) attract a degree of media attention and political concern that our nation’s (roughly) 20,000 annual firearm suicides — and daily acts of urban gang violence — simply do not. The most misleading piece of the Parkland survivors’ message — that their experience is representative of a widespread social problem that threatens the lives of all American children — may well be its most politically effective component."
    The only mockery here is how somehow we are supposed to focus all of our collective attention towards fixing a "problem" that statistically cannot be effectively resolved.

    It's not about "the children" either... if it were, then you and other liberals would rally around to stop the murder of 900,000 babies per year in our nation. But consequence-free promiscuity is MORE important to you all. You all instead attempt to reclassify that problem, by trying to redefine what human life is and what it isn't.
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    Nice to see that Pop is finally focused on doing his job...................Not.

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    Tell that to the people of:
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    Here on the home front stricter gun control laws have not produced lower homicide rates. See:
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    we're suddenly caring about minorities?

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    They are trained to protect and serve why would anyone argue that?!
    Because they are idiots asking questions like "Is freedom more important than safety?".

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    The problem is we live in a world where if you are attacked by someone and you don’t have a gun, you are dead. Laws against murder don’t stop murders and cops get there after the murder.

    And while AR-15s seem less necessary there are times during riots or natural disasters where there is no law enforcement to be on duty to protect and perpetrators know it and if your family or store is attacked by multiple perpetrators, my guess is that you would be happy to have an AR-15.

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    The problem is we live in a world where if you are attacked by someone and you don’t have a gun, you are dead. Laws against murder don’t stop murders
    so give me a good reason for why we have any laws?

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    So they support no proposed gun regulations.
    He said the policies proposed were ineffective. Why would respond as if it's absurd that they didn't support them?

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    Hate kills people. Guns, bombs, poison, knives, even a hard rock are just tools. You want to stop the killing stop supporting the hating.

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    Hate kills people. Guns, bombs, poison, knives, even a hard rock are just tools. You want to stop the killing stop supporting the hating.
    pretty sure it's the tools causing the killing.... maybe not. I'm channeling all my hate at you... are you dead? I hope not I'd feel kinda bad if you were right

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    pretty sure it's the tools causing the killing.... maybe not. I'm channeling all my hate at you... are you dead? I hope not I'd feel kinda bad if you were right
    Point is left slams right, right slams left. Some are just trolling and joking. The problem is someone somewhere takes it serious and bad things happen to innocent people. My mind a lot of this started with the limitations put on speech. Ideas that are not allowed to be spoken fester and turn to hate when logical debate may have changed the person's mind in the beginning.

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    Because they are idiots asking questions like "Is freedom more important than safety?".
    You probbably should define the extent of the terms

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    Point is left slams right, right slams left. Some are just trolling and joking. The problem is someone somewhere takes it serious and bad things happen to innocent people. My mind a lot of this started with the limitations put on speech. Ideas that are not allowed to be spoken fester and turn to hate when logical debate may have changed the person's mind in the beginning.
    in all seriousness, you're falling for propaganda bull if you really think the violence isn't stemming more from the right. It's a joke when I hear one side crying about antifa, or suddenly caring about the blacks in CHI or MS13 in Cali for the sake of their gun argument. It was an entirely different atmosphere when the Black Panthers were pro gun. You have an entire region in the middle east that hates the west because of our imperial bull back in the day, like taking out Qasim. There aren't POCs or gays shooting up schools, it's ing white men

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    in all seriousness, you're falling for propaganda bull if you really think the violence isn't stemming more from the right. It's a joke when I hear one side crying about antifa, or suddenly caring about the blacks in CHI or MS13 in Cali for the sake of their gun argument. It was an entirely different atmosphere when the Black Panthers were pro gun. You have an entire region in the middle east that hates the west because of our imperial bull back in the day, like taking out Qasim. There aren't POCs or gays shooting up schools, it's ing white men
    Shooting up schools is incredibly rare. White men doesn't equal the right. Your comment is idiotic.

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    Shooting up schools is incredibly rare. White men doesn't equal the right. Your comment is idiotic.

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    Go ahead post the political leanings of the school shooter if you want. Saying they are "the right" because they are white men is beyond idiotic. The shootings account basically nothing as well. Everyone knows black people commit the most violent crime. This all irrelevant to the discussion though.

    "It’s true that around 13 per cent of Americans are black, according to the latest estimates from the US Census Bureau.And yes, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, black offenders committed 52 per cent of homicides recorded in the data between 1980 and 2008. Only 45 per cent of the offenders were white. Homicide is a broader category than “murder” but let’s not split hairs."

    https://www.channel4.com/news/factch...s-commit-crime



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    On Nov. 11, 1938, the German minister of the interior issued "Regulations Against Jews Possession of Weapons." Not only were Jews forbidden to own guns and ammunition, they couldn’t own "truncheons or stabbing weapons."

    Did the Nazis do this to strengthen the Jews or make them more vulnerable?

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    must've missed the times POC shot up schools

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    Japan looks really Nazi these days with their weapons regulations, tbh...

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