Lowe: Celtics starting point for Leonard likely Tatum and Kings 1st

[TheGreatYacht]

If you're.a Spurs fan, you better watch the Celtics games. Some of their players can very well be Spurs next season.

[CGD]

Heinsohn (Celtics' Sean Eliott) is a hyperbolic homer, but Spurfans contemplating trade scenarios need to get a grip. Leonard has been inexorably eroding his value for about a year now..

He was a Top 3 player in the world in April 2017 but has played 9 games-- non-back to back-- ever since..

The best ability = availability. And some here think Ainge will package two prospects who led Boston to the second seed while being injury-riddled themselves for a guy who has been rehabbing his soreness in Newyork for the entire year .

Don't need any more medical opinions or journalistic sources. There is one blaring fact in this whole saga right now that we all know: A guy who is said to be trying hard to play, but he somehow still can't after several attempts to do so..

His camp has made it clear through their leaks that they are not interested in this whole "family" culture, and so the Spurs should also treat them with the cold logic of business instead of good faith.

He should not be traded (unless for a stupid offer) or be given the Supermax. The most sensible move right now would be to wait it out a little longer (until the pre-season to see how he looks/feel in few games) and then pull the trigger on either direction around September/early October..

Guys this is all the Ainge machine trying to drive Leonards price down. He might as well hire Cambridge Analyta to start the internet trolling too. Of course Tatum and Kings pick (probably 8-10 slot NEXT year) have to be the bare bones of a deal

[TheGreatYacht]

Yeah, I wouldn't trade with that lunatic Ainge

Boston are the kings of overvaluing what they have. Cheap bas s. They had lots of deals fall thru because the dumbass wouldn't part ways with Terry Rozier..,.

If it was up to Celtikkks fans, they'd give us Horford, Morris, and Ojeleye

[CGD]

Yeah, I wouldn't trade with that lunatic Ainge

Boston are the kings of overvaluing what they have. Cheap bas s. They had lots of deals fall thru because the dumbass wouldn't part ways with Terry Rozier..,.

If it was up to Celtikkks fans, they'd give us Horford, Morris, and Ojeleye

The good news is that there will be teams that can make credible offers involving decent picks in THIS more talented draft to hopefully keep Boston honest.

1. Clips have 12 and 13 (outside shot at one of those being slightly better) and a peice like Harris. Not great, but 12 and 13 are each probably a better or at least equal shot than next years Kings pick a being good

2. Cleveland has Brooklyn’s pick (prolly around 8) and Love (who can be rerouted).

[TheGreatYacht]

The good news is that there will be teams that can make credible offers involving decent picks in THIS more talented draft to hopefully keep Boston honest.

1. Clips have 12 and 13 (outside shot at one of those being slightly better) and a peice like Harris. Not great, but 12 and 13 are each probably a better or at least equal shot than next years Kings pick a being good

2. Cleveland has Brooklyn’s pick (prolly around 8) and Love (who can be rerouted).

Amick reported that the Clippers are preparing a package for when Kawhi becomes available. Two picks and Harris would be a good get, like you said.

The Lakers and Sixers (both will try to use Kawhi as a selling point to Lebron) will also want in IMO. So the trading partners will be there if Ainge doesn't get over himself.

[CGD]

Amick reported that the Clippers are preparing a package for when Kawhi becomes available. Two picks and Harris would be a good get, like you said.

The Lakers and Sixers (both will try to use Kawhi as a selling point to Lebron) will also want in IMO. So the trading partners will be there if Ainge doesn't get over himself.

Problem with Sixers is that all their non-Simmons, Embid, Fultz contracts are so small that we’d have to essentially take back half there roster, lol.

[mo7888]

Problem with Sixers is that all their non-Simmons, Embid, Fultz contracts are so small that we’d have to essentially take back half there roster, lol.

We don't have to take much back. They have lots of cap space to absorb contracts without sending equal salaries in return.

[sananspursfan21]

There was an article floating around showing what each team could potentially offer for Kawhi. Most were garbage. I kinda liked Indiana’s though. Myles Turner could be something special. Although I’d much rather Kawhi stay.

[ajh18]

Tatum looks great. Get some cap relief too or another pick in the future and I’d do it.

[noles1983]

Celtics need to take one of gasol/mills. Preferably both of those useless s.

[CGD]

We don't have to take much back. They have lots of cap space to absorb contracts without sending equal salaries in return.

Good point

[Kawhitstorm]

yuck Tatum and Brown are scrubs compared to Kawhi. And I'm the least Kawhi homer on the site. Would much much much rather go after proven guys in their prime like Lillard and McCollum

CJ is a poorman's Jamal Crawford who dates pasty white girls

[DPG21920]

I would love Tatum AND Brown if SA was forced to trade Kawhi.

[Chillen]

Spurs will most likely bow out in 1st round to Warriors. This offseason franchise needs to sit down with Kawhi and his camp and discuss his health, a supermax deal or if there is friction discuss a trade. The truth will come out eventually but Spurs need to have a sit down with Kawhi and see what he wants and if he wants to remain a Spur. Lots of rumors going on and yes he very well could be injured and his heart is with Spurs still. Obviously it doesn't seem like it when he is nowhere to be seen on Spurs bench.

No you don't let Ainge steal a top 3 player in this league from you. Spurs need to find the best trade package if Leonard wants out.

[BD24]

I would love Tatum AND Brown if SA was forced to trade Kawhi.

This would be best case scenario. Don't really see it happening though, more likely is Tatum and some picks. If Boston isn't willing to part with Tatum you find a different trade partner.

[phxspurfan]

He was a Top 3 player in the world in April 2017 but has played 9 games-- non-back to back-- ever since..

The best ability = availability. And some here think Ainge will package two prospects who led Boston to the second seed while being injury-riddled themselves for a guy who has been rehabbing his soreness in Newyork for the entire year

exactly...WAS a top player. Now who knows. You know who else were top players? Derrick Rose. Brandon Roy. Danny Granger. All top players who aren't in the NBA anymore

[DPG21920]

This would be best case scenario. Don't really see it happening though, more likely is Tatum and some picks. If Boston isn't willing to part with Tatum you find a different trade partner.

Agreed. You need to get a lottery pick (at least one) and at that point you either get some young talent (assuming you can’t get a star which is unlikely) or you have to dump contracts.

So if you aren’t willing to give Tatum + Brown and a lottery pick, then you give Tatum+lottery pick + eat Mills deal.

[BD24]

exactly...WAS a top player. Now who knows. You know who else were top players? Derrick Rose. Brandon Roy. Danny Granger. All top players who aren't in the NBA anymore

In fairness the only one of those guys who was even in the same stratosphere as Kawhi is Rose.

Honestly I think Kawhi was better last year than Rose was his MVP season. MVP that year should have been LeBron anyway.

[BD24]

Agreed. You need to get a lottery pick (at least one) and at that point you either get some young talent (assuming you can’t get a star which is unlikely) or you have to dump contracts.

So if you aren’t willing to give Tatum + Brown and a lottery pick, then you give Tatum+lottery pick + eat Mills deal.

Or Pau deal, I am fine getting rid of either one of those terrible contracts. Honestly not sure the Spurs will ship either one of them out even if given the opportunity.

[DPG21920]

Spurs will most likely bow out in 1st round to Warriors. This offseason franchise needs to sit down with Kawhi and his camp and discuss his health, a supermax deal or if there is friction discuss a trade. The truth will come out eventually but Spurs need to have a sit down with Kawhi and see what he wants and if he wants to remain a Spur. Lots of rumors going on and yes he very well could be injured and his heart is with Spurs still. Obviously it doesn't seem like it when he is nowhere to be seen on Spurs bench.

No you don't let Ainge steal a top 3 player in this league from you. Spurs need to find the best trade package if Leonard wants out.

This is what will happen. It’s not over yet; nothing has been decided even if there are leanings. They, meaning Pop/RC and Kawhi will definitley sit down and put everything on the table.

We will know a lot more this Summer. I think there is a 50% chance that Kawhi stays; that doesn’t mean there weren’t real issues, but the SuperMax is a big deal and when looking at everything “else” there really is truly no reason things should have gone south.

Spurs can pay you. Spurs have a good team and will be able to make moves to keep building. Spurs take care of their players.

I believe that Kawhi meant it when he said there is no beef personally with Pop/RC, but there are other people that are causing friction and everyone has moved on because they have to right now. It will resume when they can actually sit down and have time to address things.

[ace3g]

I would love Tatum AND Brown if SA was forced to trade Kawhi.

+1

[r0drig0lac]

Spurs will most likely bow out in 1st round to Warriors. This offseason franchise needs to sit down with Kawhi and his camp and discuss his health, a supermax deal or if there is friction discuss a trade. The truth will come out eventually but Spurs need to have a sit down with Kawhi and see what he wants and if he wants to remain a Spur. Lots of rumors going on and yes he very well could be injured and his heart is with Spurs still. Obviously it doesn't seem like it when he is nowhere to be seen on Spurs bench.

No you don't let Ainge steal a top 3 player in this league from you. Spurs need to find the best trade package if Leonard wants out.

x1000

[phxspurfan]

This is what will happen. It’s not over yet; nothing has been decided even if there are leanings. They, meaning Pop/RC and Kawhi will definitley sit down and put everything on the table.

We will know a lot more this Summer. I think there is a 50% chance that Kawhi stays; that doesn’t mean there weren’t real issues, but the SuperMax is a big deal and when looking at everything “else” there really is truly no reason things should have gone south.

Spurs can pay you. Spurs have a good team and will be able to make moves to keep building. Spurs take care of their players.

I believe that Kawhi meant it when he said there is no beef personally with Pop/RC, but there are other people that are causing friction and everyone has moved on because they have to right now. It will resume when they can actually sit down and have time to address things.

If this happens guaranteed Spurs FO will ask Tony/Manu to retire (on behalf of Kawhi/Kawhi's camp) to get Kawhi back next year.

[CGD]

I would love Tatum AND Brown if SA was forced to trade Kawhi.

Would also swap Hortford for Pau and 18 if that’s the cost of getting those two and a future Boston pick. Paying 4 dudes near maxes is a big chunk of change, and I’m sure Hortford would be the odd man out of the 4.

[Chinook]

Would also swap Hortford for Pau and 18 if that’s the cost of getting those two and a future Boston pick. Paying 4 dudes near maxes is a big chunk of change, and I’m sure Hortford would be the odd man out of the 4.

I'm pulling the cord to get off here. I'm not touching Horford's money, and I'm damned sure I'm not giving up a pick to make it happen. Unless the Lakers get the second or third pick, I don't see any way I'm giving up 18. If they do have the Lakers pick, then something built around that might help grease the wheels.