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Since other teams will likely show interest, I can't see how Tatum + Kings pick comes anywhere close. They can throw in Brown but even then I think you need another very promising pick. That is, if Kawhi is leaving and is still healthy.
The better play is to reroute Love from CLE for the better of 15 or 16 (don’t know all the protections on each) and 31, plus Bender and some salary relief (like chandler/Knight).
Might have to be a three way trade like this where Spurs get Brooklyn pick, Heat/Bucks pick, and suns’ 31: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybzs6ujj
Then if there is someone they really like, I’d see about packaging 15/16 with Spurs own pick to move up.
Since other teams will likely show interest, I can't see how Tatum + Kings pick comes anywhere close. They can throw in Brown but even then I think you need another very promising pick. That is, if Kawhi is leaving and is still healthy.
You don't think this has anything to do with the injury being misdiagnosed in 2012?
I don't think I trust Popovich and Bufford with draft picks right now. Even if it's the 1st pick.
well that's the way we do things. Think about this, when Duncan was at his peak, there were years in which Juwon Howard made more than him. The spurs want players to take pay cuts their whole career and then take care of them in the end. Kawhi aint with the bull and his uncle is stepping in to not let him be with the bull and i don't blame him one bit. Why are millionaire giving BILLIONAIRES discounts to earn a piece of jewelry? The bulls raped Jordan and Pippen for years until Jordan's last 3 years he was making $30 millin a year. That was unheard of at the time and more than some teams' salary cap. That would be equivalent to over $48.5 million today according to inflation. If Duncan in 2013 or 2014 would have asked for that, would he have been wrong?
Just imagine the Spurs trading Kawhi for the pick used to take Jaren Jackson......and then giving him jersey number 2.
This is what I posted the other day along with this article http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/1...i-leonard-star
I was wondering if he thinks the Spurs are responsible from misdiagnosing it years ago, and if he now thinks they're the reason it has become an issue for him right now that could also possibly plague him throughout his career.
Kawhi is trying to smear the Spurs. They didn’t misdiagnose him. It’s not the Spurs fault he’s a china doll.
Pretty grim discussion in sports illustrated. They think Celtics with Tatum isn’t even an option.
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.si.co...cs-lakers-heat
They place a lot of value in kawhi leaving the team to be in NY, as a sign his attachment to the Spurs is lacking. They also think Kawhi has hurt his trade value a great deal by the fact that he will be FA next summer anyways, and the fact he’s injury prone and has missed an entire season with a mystery injury. I think the Spurs are going to get lowballed and be turned off from any trade deal.
Yep http://nba.nbcsports.com/2012/11/16/...his-left-knee/
Diagnosed as tendinitis - temporary inflammation from overuse, whereas tendonosis/tendinopathy (which it has turned out to be) is degenerative from overuse & heaps more serious. So he would be right to see someone else about this considering the impact it could have on his career.
Juwon made more money than Duncan from '97-'03. That was mainly due to Duncan being stuck on his rookie contract deal the first 3 years of his career. The Spurs then re-signed him for what was the Max back in 2000. Even with the max deal Duncan could not make more money than Juwon simply because Juwon signed a 7 year 105 mil contract back before the NBA implemented max contracts . Duncan than opted out of his contract in '03 and re-signed for another Max deal. In both cases Duncan didn't take a discount. Duncan didn't start to take discounts until after his mid 30's. So you are are full of with your bull narrative.
Personally, I would always take the money over anything and I think the concept of a discount is stupid(look at how the Mavs have completely wasted the discounts Nowitzki took), but I don't understand when fans criticize a player for doing it..
I'm not going to judge a man for his life priorities..I was shocked that David West left so much $$$ just to chase a ring, but he's a grown man who understands finances..if he thinks he has enough money and would rather have a championship, that's his decision..
In Duncan's case, I don't think Pop brainwashed him, Tim was a grown man..if he chose the winning over money, that's his own choice..
In Kawhi's case, I would take all the money I can get, since he's still young and injury prone, but I'm not going to tell another man how to handle his finances..
I really have no idea how different I'd be mentally if I had NBA athleticism and skill. But assuming I'm the same, money would not matter to me past a certain point early in my second contract. It sure wouldn't matter to me enough to want to change markets. I'm not saying I'd be all for winning either. I think it would just be a love of the game sort of thing. So long as I considered playing basketball fun and rewarding, I would keep doing it, and once it stopped being fun or rewarding, I'd stop.
Heinsohn (Celtics' Sean Eliott) is a hyperbolic homer, but Spurfans contemplating trade scenarios need to get a grip. Leonard has been inexorably eroding his value for about a year now..
He was a Top 3 player in the world in April 2017 but has played 9 games-- non-back to back-- ever since..
The best ability = availability. And some here think Ainge will package two prospects who led Boston to the second seed while being injury-riddled themselves for a guy who has been rehabbing his soreness in Newyork for the entire year.
Don't need any more medical opinions or journalistic sources. There is one blaring fact in this whole saga right now that we all know: A guy who is said to be trying hard to play, but he somehow still can't after several attempts to do so..
His camp has made it clear through their leaks that they are not interested in this whole "family" culture, and so the Spurs should also treat them with the cold logic of business instead of good faith.
He should not be traded (unless for a stupid offer) or be given the Supermax. The most sensible move right now would be to wait it out a little longer (until the pre-season to see how he looks/feel in few games) and then pull the trigger on either direction around September/early October..
Posted a link from sports illustrated where they come to the same conclusion.
Heinsohn (Celtics' Sean Eliott) is a hyperbolic homer, but Spurfans contemplating trade scenarios need to get a grip. Leonard has been inexorably eroding his value for about a year now..
He was a Top 3 player in the world in April 2017 but has played 9 games-- non-back to back-- ever since..
The best ability = availability. And some here think Ainge will package two prospects who led Boston to the second seed while being injury-riddled themselves for a guy who has been rehabbing his soreness in Newyork for the entire year
Don't need any more medical opinions or journalistic sources. There is one blaring fact in this whole saga right now that we all know: A guy who is said to be trying hard to play, but he somehow still can't after several attempts to do so..
His camp has made it clear through their leaks that they are not interested in this whole "family" culture, and so the Spurs should also treat them with the cold logic of business instead of good faith.
He should not be traded (unless for a stupid offer) or be given the Supermax. The most sensible move right now would be to wait it out a little longer (until the pre-season to see how he looks/feel in few games) and then pull the trigger on either direction around September/early October..
Kawhi has eroded his value and Spurs will get lowballed. The same reason spurfan is tired of the saga is the same reason other franchises will be looking for a firesale and are looking to make like bandits. I tend to think he doesn't get traded and Spurs take the risk to see if he's healthy next season and can repair the relationship like they did with Lamarcus. Hopefully he's fine but if his career as an elite player or a franchise cornerstone is over (bc he may play but can't stay healthy or something else related to the injury), there's nothing they can do.
This trade doesn't make any sense.
The C's already signed two max contracts with Irving/Hayward, why would they want other max deal for another wing when they have some type of decent ones in Hayward/Jaylen Brown?
I pick Kawhi over these two all day...But he doesn't have Butler-Hayward-Stevens chemistry and Brown is a great backup/potential starter on many teams.
If the Spurs won't trade him on draft night, Chinook will die, tholdren too.
So...having my favorite player on my favorite team one more year while these two guys disappear foreva? Tough decision.
The ESPN Boston guys know his going there, and the ESPN LA guys know he is going there, and the NY Basketball scene guys know Kawhi is going there, and the other BS outlets know a guy that knows Kawhi might go there.
Ya need to read between the ing lines.
And Kawhi is worth more than any ing rookie or rookies or young non-winning talent.
He is a top 3 player in this ing league.
None of these other guys might even come close to that. Maybe Simmons from the sixers but that's it.
Depends what reports you believe. After Windhorst said that about Curry and Kawhi, because we should remember he said that, in a sense that Bron & Co wonder why the league and fans love these two players that much, many people supported both guys calling LeBron and KD insecure and jealous.
Also, we should remember what players -not named LeBron and younger than him- have said about Kawhi.
-Rubio said Kawhi was the most impactful player in the league.
-McCollum defended Kawhi when he wasn't in some Tw list of top 5 players
-Wall said in an interview that Kawhi is a top 5 player without doubt
-Rookies voted him as 3rd favorite player in the league.
Like it or not, young players support Kawhi. In San Antonio, too
We have our old players saying he doesn't talk with the team, while young players tell media they were working and talking with him all time.
The young picks to rebuild, those young assets the Spurs would get in a trade, are part of those young guys who respect him so much.
Gotta love Golliver..."oh...he traveled to NYC many times...a husband has a NYC condo while wife whatever...damn...he's in some deal with the Knicks!!"The ESPN Boston guys know his going there, and the ESPN LA guys know he is going there, and the NY Basketball scene guys know Kawhi is going there, and the other BS outlets know a guy that knows Kawhi might go there.
Ya need to read between the ing lines.
These media guys are just .
Terrible posters eat that up.Gotta love Golliver..."oh...he traveled to NYC many times...a husband has a NYC condo while wife whatever...damn...he's in some deal with the Knicks!!"
These media guys are just .
Everyone has an agenda. It's all about clicks. People need to understand the person before commentating on a subject.
I doubt it. Many people talk about that they mishandled the injury in the summer.
He had an issue in his quad during regular season, he sat the first game of RRT, then he felt better and doctors told him he was fine. But it seems like he needed some quad's specific treatments in the summer that Spurs medical staff didn't suggest/prescribe, the lack of these treatments and him training like always because no one told him otherwise, made the quad got worse.
Anyway, there are many versions about this. Who knows.
Does any of this Seem like the SPURS & PAFTO? they dont have a track record of paying players if they are not worth it, why are we assuming they do not want to give him the SM.. If they are willing to sign PG to a 3-yr 48 mil deal @ age of 36 then, giving your franchise player max deal is not out of the realm of possibilities.
And to further my observations, i do not believe SPURS misdiagnosed KL in the 1st place. I think it has all been media noise. What i do agree with from above posts is that KL doesnt want what happened to IT happen to him..
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