Victor Wembanyama - load management and physical development

[polandprzem]

You thought he should've sacked his trainer, and would have to go 2 years without basketball to gain NBA level strength

Not what I wrote but you can live in your imagine world.


And lol - he did not gained that much of a strength. He did as much as he could but that's not a level you want him to have at the end. Not even close to what I have posted.

[polandprzem]

He clearly needs a few lessons from polandprzem's master training course, tbh

Skinny up and gain some weight dude !!!

[polandprzem]

Or this one right here, eh? Remember it? Turns out the body can "take" a whole lot without going the meathead route! Who'd have guessed.....

wtf RU talking about?

Which route? hahahha

[polandprzem]

They did what I said they would- he gained weight and strength.

[polandprzem]

Yes, really. Not 20 pounds like you believed, more like 10 or less. And again -- without any emphasis on heavy lifting training, which you clamored for; he instead went the opposite way and found great success. Do you remember saying that, arguing in favor of that? Or has the meat taken over the brain completely in that head of yours?

You are sayin NBA brough broken scales. So Wemby do not know how much he weighs SO HE ASSUMES the ranges he might be in.

hahaha


I go for facts not rumors.


There is a chance Wilt had 10 000 women. right on.

[polandprzem]

Well, this is my philosophy. I don't remember LaMarcus saying that, but if so, I think he was right. Pop's been caught up in this load management bull for too long. I'm from the Tim Grover school (maybe not as full on as TG) where he said something similar - How can you expect to be able to perform at a high level in the playoffs when you never learned to play with fatigue and learn to play through it.

Also, Victor is looking weak out there. Everyone is ripping the ball from him. I don't know if he's even strong enough physically to throw lobs to. A few times down low, he should have finished strong, but got the ball taken away from him. He's gotta at least add more strength and go for the 5% number if it's between 1-5% max increase in weight he wants between seasons, he needs to aim for the 5% every time. 1% ain't going to do much (it's not like he's starting of physically superior to everyone else out there where adding 1% muscle weight is going to put him above anyone).

I am not fan of Tim Grover but he knew his stuff.

Mike Malone said something similar saying this league got soft and nobody wants to run....


In a case of Wemby I still think they threw him into regiment which he must get out off. He is in taper mode so IMO he will get his freshness along this next month. we will see.


I really liked your intake.

[polandprzem]

And Wemby needs to up his minutes if he wants to be considered the best

[exstatic]

When is Wemby going to play more than 28mins ? This shii is getting old load management BS !!!

i remember L Aldridge saying the reason they lost to the Thunders in the 2016 playoffs is because they ran out of gas they was not used to playing heavy minutes let along intense ball games . Fickin stupid load manangement !!!

LMA quit on a workout with Tim, who told him ‘This is what you need to do to play effectively after 35’. Walked off the floor. He’s no expert on load management or endurance. LMA’s last three seasons, he played a total of 126 games, and he was done at 36. If he didn’t have the wind to compete in that OKC series, it was likely his own damn fault.

[polandprzem]

LMA quit on a workout with Tim, who told him ‘This is what you need to do to play effectively after 35’. Walked off the floor. He’s no expert on load management or endurance. LMA’s last three seasons, he played a total of 126 games, and he was done at 36. If he didn’t have the wind to compete in that OKC series, it was likely his own damn fault.

With an injury it is tough to get stamina. So I do not think that's LMA fault 100%.

[Chinook]

I think the Spurs did a massive disservice to Wemby when they failed to bring in a top big-man coach to mentor Wemby. I love Tim, but he doesn't want to be a coach, and the "when I feel like it" schedule doesn't work year. My first choice would have been Tyson Chandler, but he's apparently in Dallas mentoring Lively (and it shows). I don't know if there's any big man who excelled more at the aspects of the game Victor needs to improve the most. Given his chemistry with Paul, I think the two of them could really help break down film with Wemby and show him where he needs to be.

I think Ex brings up an interesting point that Aldridge could make sense. He knows all about the transition from perimeter player (combo-forward) through the positions to become a center. You can hate on LMA all you want, but he learned how to be a complete big on offense by the time he retired, and he could certainly talk about how to get to spots, hold them and use moves to score. It's not a perfect fit, but Aldridge has expressed interest in coaching with the Spurs before.

I'm very curious as to what the Spurs' coaching staff intends to do differently about Victor's development this year. They said last year was going to be for them to sit back and observe. Fine, I don't think that was the worst idea. But this year they should be looking to make some changes to address what they saw. MAYBE the Olympics were just bad timing, but I think a team so dedicated to a single guy should be more proactive than they have been so far. In general for a team that banked on development, I haven't seen much evidence that they've invested in maximizing that area of their staff.

[Ice009]

I am not fan of Tim Grover but he knew his stuff.

Mike Malone said something similar saying this league got soft and nobody wants to run....


In a case of Wemby I still think they threw him into regiment which he must get out off. He is in taper mode so IMO he will get his freshness along this next month. we will see.


I really liked your intake.

Yeah, it's only one game, but from what I saw, I don't agree with Victor's trainer/philosophy. Aiming for a minimum of 1% body weight/muscle increase per offseason isn't going to help him at all. He needs to look at closer to 5% as a minimum while also increasing his strength. He looked like Matt Bonner did that one time getting the ball ripped away from him by Matt Barnes all game.

[Pauleta14]

I think the Spurs did a massive disservice to Wemby when they failed to bring in a top big-man coach to mentor Wemby. I love Tim, but he doesn't want to be a coach, and the "when I feel like it" schedule doesn't work year. My first choice would have been Tyson Chandler, but he's apparently in Dallas mentoring Lively (and it shows). I don't know if there's any big man who excelled more at the aspects of the game Victor needs to improve the most. Given his chemistry with Paul, I think the two of them could really help break down film with Wemby and show him where he needs to be.

I think Ex brings up an interesting point that Aldridge could make sense. He knows all about the transition from perimeter player (combo-forward) through the positions to become a center. You can hate on LMA all you want, but he learned how to be a complete big on offense by the time he retired, and he could certainly talk about how to get to spots, hold them and use moves to score. It's not a perfect fit, but Aldridge has expressed interest in coaching with the Spurs before.

I'm very curious as to what the Spurs' coaching staff intends to do differently about Victor's development this year. They said last year was going to be for them to sit back and observe. Fine, I don't think that was the worst idea. But this year they should be looking to make some changes to address what they saw. MAYBE the Olympics were just bad timing, but I think a team so dedicated to a single guy should be more proactive than they have been so far. In general for a team that banked on development, I haven't seen much evidence that they've invested in maximizing that area of their staff.

I agree, I was thinking about it during the game, Paul will still bring him a lot compared to what he had last season but he needs a big man vet badly.

I think Vic also still needs to be convinced his future is conditioned by his post up game, he doesn't seem to be in a hury to get better in that area and a vet could get to his ear maybe more than Pop.

[Frenchfred]

I don't think that his frame is meant for him to play like a traditional center with post up moves. I don't think that he will gain the weight necessary to be able to do that. He is essentially a taller version of Kevin Durant so he should be able to shoot over everybody and right now his FG% is too low.

[KingKev]

I don't think that his frame is meant for him to play like a traditional center with post up moves. I don't think that he will gain the weight necessary to be able to do that. He is essentially a taller version of Kevin Durant so he should be able to shoot over everybody and right now his FG% is too low.

Yes a KD who can’t shoot. Right now he is Bol Bol with a very long leash. PATFO needs to stop coddling him now that the hype is over.

[Frenchfred]

Yes a KD who can’t shoot. Right now he is Bol Bol with a very long leash. PATFO needs to stop coddling him now that the hype is over.

I agree. He should be working on his jumpshot.

[polandprzem]

Yeah, it's only one game, but from what I saw, I don't agree with Victor's trainer/philosophy. Aiming for a minimum of 1% body weight/muscle increase per offseason isn't going to help him at all. He needs to look at closer to 5% as a minimum while also increasing his strength. He looked like Matt Bonner did that one time getting the ball ripped away from him by Matt Barnes all game.

That was my initial post last year. About his weight and strength. We will see later, after that one game there is not much to say. In preseason I could see him bit stronger, so with Olympics he had to go to - the time to develop was limited.

[polandprzem]

Holmgren on the other side had more time and he is looking much better then last year when it comes to his body, agile wise, strength wise and his gate looks better and seems to be more of a presents inside.

I hope him and Wemby gonna progress cause it might be great compe ion between them in next few years.

[KenziE]

LMA quit on a workout with Tim, who told him ‘This is what you need to do to play effectively after 35’. Walked off the floor. He’s no expert on load management or endurance. LMA’s last three seasons, he played a total of 126 games, and he was done at 36. If he didn’t have the wind to compete in that OKC series, it was likely his own damn fault.

ok so when will Wemby get to play more than 28 mins ? Dont worry about what happend to LA thats old news . Now when
is Wemby ever gonna play more than 28 mins . Dont tell me you dont want to know what would happen if he does . Load manegement BS

[KenziE]

Holmgren on the other side had more time and he is looking much better then last year when it comes to his body, agile wise, strength wise and his gate looks better and seems to be more of a presents inside.

I hope him and Wemby gonna progress cause it might be great compe ion between them in next few years.

Oh yeah CH see how many mins he playedi bet you its more than 28 mins which makes him get to a better ryhthm and feel for the NBA game . Wemby gets to play 7mins in the 1st qtr then goes back to the bench . Than play another 7 mins in the 2nd qtr in and out of the lineup what the kind of usage is that ing idiotic . By the time the 2nd half begins he hast even had a complete sweat at all with all that ing rest !!!!!

[exstatic]

ok so when will Wemby get to play more than 28 mins ? Dont worry about what happend to LA thats old news . Now when
is Wemby ever gonna play more than 28 mins . Dont tell me you dont want to know what would happen of he does . Load manegement BS

Go look at Kristaps Porzingas early career, and what happened when his minutes were increased. They played an almost identical number of games and minutes as rookies. Just increasing KPs minutes to 32 caused him to spiral into a health crisis where he never played 70 games again.

He’s the closest analog to Wemby that has existed.

[KingKev]

Trae Young and Melo Ball are playing Wemby type ball tonight; two skilled compe ors going at it in a meaningless game. Bad three point shot attempts and turnover city. Difference is Wemby is a 7’4 generational talent coached by the legendary Coach Pop.

Sniffers pls Sniff.

[KenziE]

Go look at Kristaps Porzingas early career, and what happened when his minutes were increased. They played an almost identical number of games and minutes as rookies. Just increasing KPs minutes to 32 caused him to spiral into a health crisis where he never played 70 games again.

He’s the closest analog to Wemby that has existed.

what does Wemby playing more mins have to do woth KP ? Dude stop making excuses for Pop . KP is nowhere near Wembys potential . Was KP ever in the
convo of being DPOTY in his rookie season ? Wemby was with limited mins . Why you worrying about what happend to other players dude . We need to see Wemby play more than 28 mins and so he can help the spurs win games . Not saving him for a KP type career . INJURIES is PART of SPORTS !!!! Its like saying im
not going to the store i might get into a car accident DUMB thinking

[KenziE]

Trae Young and Melo Ball are playing Wemby type ball tonight; two skilled compe ors going at it in a meaningless game. Bad three point shot attempts and turnover city. Difference is Wemby is a 7’4 generational talent coached by the legendary Coach Pop.

Sniffers pls Sniff.

Generational MAYBE If he gets to play more than 28mins . I love Pop but Wemby needs more playing time

[exstatic]

what does Wemby playing more mins have to do woth KP ? Dude stop making excuses for Pop . KP is nowhere near Wembys potential . Was KP ever in the
convo of being DPOTY in his rookie season ? Wemby was with limited mins . Why you worrying about what happend to other players dude . We need to see Wemby play more than 28 mins and so he can help the spurs win games . Not saving him for a KP type career . INJURIES is PART of SPORTS !!!! Its like saying im
not going to the store i might get into a car accident DUMB thinking

Are you really this stupid? They’re near perfect physical matches. What happened to KP could easily happen to Wemby. And yes, KP had plenty of potential, and was selected as an AS in year 3. There’s a reason his nickname was PorzinGod.

[KenziE]

Are you really this stupid? They’re near perfect physical matches. What happened to KP could easily happen to Wemby. And yes, KP had plenty of potential, and was selected as an AS in year 3. There’s a reason his nickname was PorzinGod.

ok you called me stupid because i want to see Wemby play more minutes ok .

i hope you have fun waiting for Wemby to develop in 10 yrs . Maybe Chet Holmgrem have 2 rings by then . Good Luck with that mr Genius