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    If that top 5 pick busts you have wasted a year of development for your franchise guy for absolutely nothing, and tons of top 5 picks bust: Bagley, Wiseman, Patrick Williams, Josh Jackson, Bender, Dunn, etc. You don't have to throw your season to get a good draft pick. I wouldn't want them to tank if both Flagg and Boozer were in this draft class much less this grab bag the 24 draft class looks like. Tanking is for when you have nothing and are desperate to land a cornerstone. The Spurs have that cornerstone.
    And, what was the point of collecting Atlanta’s, Dallas’s, Charlotte’s, and Toronto’s picks?

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    Chinook those sonics are a terrible example since yes they added durant but simultaneously lost ray allen and rashard lewis, their two best players, in that same offseason

    the spurs lost KBD
    The Spurs lost a bunch of players over the years and are basically bottomed out. The Sonics were 31-51. It's not like they were a playoff team randomly blew it up. When you become a horrible team, you're inevitably going to be horrible for more than a year.

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    These things matter beyond just semantic conversations because people are humans with feelings and there are media outlets who make a living pointing these things out, and you can be rest assured Wemby WILL be reminded that he's the only Generational Talent who failed to make his team better, and everyone will come to the same conclusions I have - that this isn't really a Wemby problem, this is a Spurs management problem, which will fuel the fire of pulling him out of SA.
    People are humans who are more resilient than storybook characters. There are plenty of Wemby haters out there than will find any excuse to attack him. It's completely understandable if he has moments where he struggles with that. He's a kid, and gaining confidence and finding yourself re key parts of growing up. If Wemby needs the instruction, he needs it. If he needs to see the limitations of his game in order to accept that instruction, he needs to. Ultimately what matters is that Wemby reaches his potential, not that he has a story that everyone agrees is cool.

    Is this a hangover from the Kawhi trauma? Maybe. But whether its an overreaction or not, it is in the best interest of the Spurs to treat Wemby properly, and lighting his rookie season on fire, as it has been so eloquently stated, is not the way to do it. I'd be fine being 20-62 this season with some progress shown. He'll, I'd even be find being 15-67 so long as we saw some signs of growth. Maybe those are still to come, but right now there is no reason to believe that.
    We don't disagree on there being an issue. We disagree somewhat on why there's an issue and the effects of that issue. I have full confidence that Wemby is strong enough to endure losing. It SHOULD be something he doesn't like, He should want to win. He should want that even if he's 100-percent on board with a long-term plan pitched by the team that involves one (or even a couple) losing season. Part of struggling is overcoming that struggle. A lot of what people think are critical issues getting Wemby the ball is other teams learning how to defend what Victor came into the league doing. He has to evolve, and the team's way of using him has to evolve. A good coach would be doing that. Pop hasn't been but is making noise that he wants to start. His rookie year isn't lit on fire though. He's still going to be the ROY and maybe even an all-defense team. There are going to be things he doesn't like, but that's part of the process, not a sign things are broken .

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    The guy’s expiring who the Spurs could trade at deadline. And at what cost? 7.5 mil a year??
    Uh, did you miss his extension?

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    Yeah would hate to get a Steph Curry on this team. You seem to keep acting like draft position is the end all be all or that high picks don't miss and you're only doing it because you're bent on passing off this season's atrocious basketball as a plan.
    So, the exception is now the rule?

    You can find one player, maybe, at most every draft slot. You can find loads in the top 1-5 slots. Far better odds striking gold there, and you know it, Manny. Be better.

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    signing, they could have simply not waived the 2 useable vets they got from trades!!!
    Payne made it pretty clear he didn’t want to be here, so are you really crying over Reggie Bullock?

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    Astonishing amount of copium and sniffing here. Funny that you mention Donovan Mitc teams get predictable in the playoffs, where we have only ever seen Jeremy Sochan teams be literally the 3rd worst and 2nd worst team in basketball.

    This is actually like a picture perfect textbook sniffer post.

    "Let me explain to you how this incredibly stupid thing that we all watched play out with our own eyes and failed so spectacularly that we could legit only win 3 games doing it is actually a really smart move and something we shouldn't abandon yet, and one of the main reasons we don't want to abandon it is because we don't want to be stuck doing nothing but making the playoffs every year like teams that have Donovan Mitc do"

    We need a sniffer of the year and a sniff of the year award. I'd easily nominate your post for the latter
    UTA blew up that team and CLE is one season away from doing so. This is not really about Sochan vs Mitc , it is getting a wing in the SL as opposed to a guard.

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    You guys all said 2-3 seasons from rookie wemby to contention

    It's not even 0.5 seasons in, currently

    /thread
    My take was always 2 year tank from the start, and we’re 1.5 in. Others may have had different ideas.

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    So, the exception is now the rule?

    You can find one player, maybe, at most every draft slot. You can find loads in the top 1-5 slots. Far better odds striking gold there, and you know it, Manny. Be better.
    Detroit in the last 3 years has drafted the #1 overall followed by the #5 overall and again #5 overall,,,,,they are 2-29 and have the record for most consecutive losses.

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    And, what was the point of collecting Atlanta’s, Dallas’s, Charlotte’s, and Toronto’s picks?
    To package for an all star player,,,,but our front office sucks at drafting so they choose to tank and draft.

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    So, the exception is now the rule?

    You can find one player, maybe, at most every draft slot. You can find loads in the top 1-5 slots. Far better odds striking gold there, and you know it, Manny. Be better.
    We've been over this, the odds aren't far better. You said you understood but its quite apparent you don't. They are BETTER, but overall it's not a great deal better. Furthermore, this is without taking into consideration depth of the draft and/or drafting skill. You really ing suck at this.

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    My take was always 2 year tank from the start, and we’re 1.5 in. Others may have had different ideas.
    Was that always your take? I recall your take was that you only tank when there is a generational talent, and since there wasn’t one in this draft, there is no need to tank. You’ve also admitted that you didn’t think the Spurs would tank this season, and only changed your mind after you saw how bad they sucked.

    There is no reason to to lie here, there is a search function to pull receipts if need be.

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    Was that always your take? I recall your take was that you only tank when there is a generational talent, and since there wasn’t one in this draft, there is no need to tank. You’ve also admitted that you didn’t think the Spurs would tank this season, and only changed your mind after you saw how bad they sucked.

    There is no reason to to lie here, there is a search function to pull receipts if need be.
    Ten games in. That’s when I figured it out this year. That’s what the latest search engine will pull up. Some of you still haven’t figured it out.

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    Ten games in. That’s when I figured it out this year. That’s what the latest search engine will pull up. Some of you still haven’t figured it out.
    So long as we all understand what “always” means

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    Ten games in. That’s when I figured it out this year. That’s what the latest search engine will pull up. Some of you still haven’t figured it out.
    Pretty amazing that you admit that you got it wrong before but somehow don't hold out the chance that you're still getting it wrong.

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    Just an FYI.

    https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/st...nba-draft-slot

    Odds in vacuum are fine but discount variability and the variables that lead to variance at your own peril.

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    Ten games in. That’s when I figured it out this year. That’s what the latest search engine will pull up. Some of you still haven’t figured it out.
    So "always" starts at 10 games in?

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    Just an FYI.

    https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/st...nba-draft-slot

    Odds in vacuum are fine but discount variability and the variables that lead to variance at your own peril.
    Incorrect use of the word very

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