Bowen second dirtiest player in the NBA according to his peers.

[ambchang]

"If Bowen is punching, spitting and hacking, why wouldn't they call it?"
the same reason they didnt call Michael Jordan for pushing off, John Stockton for stratching, Shaq for using his elbow to push, and Kobe for taking 5 extra steps every time he drives. they either dont see it, or are just ignorant.

Bowen is now at the superstar level of Jordan, Stockton, Shaq and Kobe? I didn't even know. Thanks for the news, it's great to have two superstars and two all-stars on our team.
Go Bruce Go!

[stretchman21]

Explain yourself... I don't get you.

i said " es like you". i never said "spurs fan". is that simple enough?

next...

[stretchman21]

Bowen is now at the superstar level of Jordan, Stockton, Shaq and Kobe? I didn't even know. Thanks for the news, it's great to have two superstars and two all-stars on our team.
Go Bruce Go!

where did i say anything about all-stars, or superstars? my point is, all good defenders get away with crap... especially when they play for good teams. ok, since i happened to use superstars as examples, how about this...
Derek Fisher getting away with his extreme flopping... Doug Christie and his crazy hacking... do you get the point now?
please, at least TRY to read before making re ed comments like that. it really makes you look... dumb.

[ambchang]

where did i say anything about all-stars, or superstars? my point is, all good defenders get away with crap... especially when they play for good teams. ok, since i happened to use superstars as examples, how about this...
Derek Fisher getting away with his extreme flopping... Doug Christie and his crazy hacking... do you get the point now?
please, at least TRY to read before making re ed comments like that. it really makes you look... dumb.

You mean little things such as Diop with his elbows, or Josh Howard with his constant slapping? Yeah, I believe I get the point. It's as long as you look really closely at every player, they get away with something.

[stretchman21]

You mean little things such as Diop with his elbows, or Josh Howard with his constant slapping? Yeah, I believe I get the point. It's as long as you look really closely at every player, they get away with something.

I couldn't agree with you more. So what exactly are you trying to point out?

[implacable44]

In the first matchup this year, Labron was 7/16 for 20 points and 3 TO's. I would certainly consider that Bowen keeping Labron in check. Especially considering the Spurs won in a landslide.

again - if he took 16 shots it was by choice and probably because he was trying to incorporate huges and damon jones into the offense -

[implacable44]

lame insults... dont waste my time with lame ass insuluts like that. if you are going to insult, either make them...

A- Insulting
B- Funny
C (and most preferrably...)- Both

btw... to say that teams trying to get a superstar, building around him, and coaching defense is copying the spurs is again... ing dumb. ALL CHAMPIONSHIP TEAMS THROUGHOUT HISTORY HAVE DONE THAT YOU MORON. im not frustrated at all. im just amazed how in dumb and lame people can get. and you have just amazed me to another level. you really need to get your balls out of Tony Parker and Co.'s mouths.

dude there is just something wrong with you -- frustrated - you are like tom cavanaugh -- dude can't keep a tv show on the air - can you imagine his frustration ? - I don't see him hurling four letter words and ignorant conversation around to try and accentuate his point of view. See that yellow brick road --- follow it to the wizard and get a brain. Stupid is the dude who cant see the lil general is there to make the mavs the spurs. -- Seems to me I always heard nellie junior was going to be taking over the reigns when don was forced out =-- but lo and behold all of those years of getting spanked by the spurs and that sexual ( allegedly ) owner brought in a pop clone. GET A CLUE

[stretchman21]

dude there is just something wrong with you -- frustrated - you are like tom cavanaugh -- dude can't keep a tv show on the air - can you imagine his frustration ? - I don't see him hurling four letter words and ignorant conversation around to try and accentuate his point of view. See that yellow brick road --- follow it to the wizard and get a brain. Stupid is the dude who cant see the lil general is there to make the mavs the spurs. -- Seems to me I always heard nellie junior was going to be taking over the reigns when don was forced out =-- but lo and behold all of those years of getting spanked by the spurs and that sexual ( allegedly ) owner brought in a pop clone. GET A CLUE

where did i ever say anything about avery NOT trying to make this team like the spurs? i just said that Avery is doing what ALL championship teams are supposed to do. play defense, have a solid, efficient offense, and make plays when they need them. and the spurs do that. but you are trying to make it sound like the spurs are the only team that has ever done that, and all teams are trying to be like them. well, you are wrong. all teams are trying to be a championship contender, which involves playing defense, having a solid efficient offense, and making big plays when needed. all teams that have ever won a le does that. so dont say that we are just trying to be like the spurs.

and not all my words are "four letter words". i can call you an "asshole". there, that is 7 letters. you are a "dumbass". another 7 letter word.

dont waste my time with any more dumb (ooh... 8 words there... you happy?) posts. talk basketball. KNOW what you are talking about. READ other peoples posts. THINK before you post. those are a few tips that can be quite helpful when trying to talk about basketball on a forum. oh yea, and if you are going to insult, make them insulting.

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[SequSpur]

What a waste of internet space.

[stretchman21]

What a waste of internet space.

i think its great. its funny how ONE mavs fan can just speak his mind (in this case, just give my opinion), and tons of spurs fans get incredibly defensive about it, as if my opinion will make any difference on the outcome of this season.

[ambchang]

I couldn't agree with you more. So what exactly are you trying to point out?

That you pointing out Bowen gets away with stuff on the court could be easily applied to anyone who ever played basketball if you look closely enough, which when you really think about it, nobody "got away" with extra things, since everybody does.

[ambchang]

i think its great. its funny how ONE mavs fan can just speak his mind (in this case, just give my opinion), and tons of spurs fans get incredibly defensive about it, as if my opinion will make any difference on the outcome of this season.

It's also funny how tons of Spurs fans just spoke their minds and a Mavs fan gets incredibly defensive about it.

[stretchman21]

That you pointing out Bowen gets away with stuff on the court could be easily applied to anyone who ever played basketball if you look closely enough, which when you really think about it, nobody "got away" with extra things, since everybody does.

ok... i kinda pointed that out when i was talking about Derek Fisher, Doug Christie, Kobe, MJ, etc...

next...

[stretchman21]

It's also funny how tons of Spurs fans just spoke their minds and a Mavs fan gets incredibly defensive about it.

oh really? prove it.

[SequSpur]

i think its great. its funny how ONE mavs fan can just speak his mind (in this case, just give my opinion), and tons of spurs fans get incredibly defensive about it, as if my opinion will make any difference on the outcome of this season.

Yeah, I know exactly what you mean, most fans are puppets and are easily strung along like es.

I mean, honestly, if I was a moderator here, I would've just banned your ass and never let you post again, because half the time you mavs fans are fuggin idiots.

It would be different if it was a Laker, Piston fan, etc... because they have some scoreboard in their history.

The only ing thing the Mavs have won is a 3 point shootout.

Blow me.

[ambchang]

ok... i kinda pointed that out when i was talking about Derek Fisher, Doug Christie, Kobe, MJ, etc...

next...

Let me get this straight, how would

all good defenders get away with crap... especially when they play for good teams

be kinda the same as

That you pointing out Bowen gets away with stuff on the court could be easily applied to anyone who ever played basketball if you look closely enough, which when you really think about it, nobody "got away" with extra things, since everybody does

?
I view it as quite the opposite, as in the first statement states that a select group of players get preferential treatment, while the next statement, which you "kinda pointed ... out" indicates nobody gets away with anything extra since everybody gets away with something.

[ambchang]

oh really? prove it.

ummm ... you posting more than anybody else in this thread?

[implacable44]

where did i ever say anything about avery NOT trying to make this team like the spurs? i just said that Avery is doing what ALL championship teams are supposed to do. play defense, have a solid, efficient offense, and make plays when they need them. and the spurs do that. but you are trying to make it sound like the spurs are the only team that has ever done that, and all teams are trying to be like them. well, you are wrong. all teams are trying to be a championship contender, which involves playing defense, having a solid efficient offense, and making big plays when needed. all teams that have ever won a le does that. so dont say that we are just trying to be like the spurs.

and not all my words are "four letter words". i can call you an "asshole". there, that is 7 letters. you are a "dumbass". another 7 letter word.

dont waste my time with any more dumb (ooh... 8 words there... you happy?) posts. talk basketball. KNOW what you are talking about. READ other peoples posts. THINK before you post. those are a few tips that can be quite helpful when trying to talk about basketball on a forum. oh yea, and if you are going to insult, make them insulting.

next...

hey stupid is in the mirror everyday when you wake up -

[stretchman21]

Let me get this straight, how would

be kinda the same as
?
I view it as quite the opposite, as in the first statement states that a select group of players get preferential treatment, while the next statement, which you "kinda pointed ... out" indicates nobody gets away with anything extra since everybody gets away with something.

how about this...

we both agree that most all players, especially big name players, and/or good defenders, have, and still do commit their share of fouls, tricks, etc... and the refs dont call it. that is what i was saying. can we agree on that?

[stretchman21]

ummm ... you posting more than anybody else in this thread?

yea, because i posted one thing, and 50 other people start ing at me about MY OPINION. why does MY opinions matter so much to you all? my opinion is that Bowen can be a dirty player at times. hes a classy guy off the court, usually a classy guy on the court, but IMO, he plays dirty at times. i never said it was the truth. i said it was my opinion. simple as that.

[stretchman21]

hey stupid is in the mirror everyday when you wake up -

Wow... I ALMOST laughed. Now try and use some better grammatical skills.

[Sportman]

Dallas will need at least TWO BRUCES for winning a championship, but dallas dont have so they will wait for a while until getting a championship. Now i can get why dallas´s fans havent never had any joy, because they dont like this kind of players, who are usually the most important players for winning championships.

[ambchang]

how about this...

we both agree that most all players, especially big name players, and/or good defenders, have, and still do commit their share of fouls, tricks, etc... and the refs dont call it. that is what i was saying. can we agree on that?

I actually said everybody, not "especially big name players, and/or good defenders" get away with things on the court. Players carry the ball, they set moving screens, they take an extra step on a layup ... everybody does it. There is a big difference.
You imply a selected group of players get an advantage, I am saying everybody gets that advantage, which means nobody gets an advantage.

[ambchang]

yea, because i posted one thing, and 50 other people start ing at me about MY OPINION. why does MY opinions matter so much to you all? my opinion is that Bowen can be a dirty player at times. hes a classy guy off the court, usually a classy guy on the court, but IMO, he plays dirty at times. i never said it was the truth. i said it was my opinion. simple as that.

So what is your problem about other people's opinion that Bowen is NOT a dirty player?
Frankly, I don't really care if he is a dirty player or not. All I care is that he is works hard and helps my favourite team win games and championships.

[stretchman21]

I actually said everybody, not "especially big name players, and/or good defenders" get away with things on the court. Players carry the ball, they set moving screens, they take an extra step on a layup ... everybody does it. There is a big difference.
You imply a selected group of players get an advantage, I am saying everybody gets that advantage, which means nobody gets an advantage.

sure, everybody does it. but would you not agree that big name players get away with it more? if you say no, you either don't watch basketball, or you are a liar.