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    How about a poll on most likely Spurs next year? My guess:

    Butler 25%

    Javtokas 20%

    Elson 55%
    Elson 70%
    Butler 15%
    Javtokas 10%

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    Elson 47%
    Butler 10%
    Javtokas 1%

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    I love Tony and Manu. However could you see them beating out the Kings, Nuggets, Rockets, and the Hornets?
    You don't know until you try.

    Manu is capable of taking over games and being nearly unstoppable when he's the focus of the offense.

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    "You Can't Always Get What You Want" on VH1's The Alternative.

    Crazy coincidental.

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    timvp i hope you realize how crushed we're all going to be after all your hyping of butler, if the knicks match

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    timvp i hope you realize how crushed we're all going to be after all your hyping of butler, if the knicks match
    Yeah I've already hidden all the sharp objects.

    I don't want any Spurs fans going Eminem on themsevles when Elson is the starter backed up by Oberto.


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    If Butler doesn't sign, they should trade for Maglorie. I can't believe I said it.

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    If Butler doesn't sign, they should trade for Maglorie. I can't believe I said it.
    They don't have enough to get Magloire.

    If Isiah matches, they either have to beg back Javtokas or sign someone like Jake Voskuhl or Aaron Williams.

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    If Butler doesn't sign, they should trade for Maglorie. I can't believe I said it.
    Yeah, I know what you mean...

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    It's basically beg Javtokas at that point.

    He says no.

    Then hopefully they send an offer sheet to Trevor Ariza.

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    It's basically beg Javtokas at that point.

    He says no.

    Then hopefully they send an offer sheet to Trevor Ariza.

    Oh yeah, Ariza would be a nice pickup.

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    It's basically beg Javtokas at that point.

    He says no.

    Then hopefully they send an offer sheet to Trevor Ariza.
    I wonder if Javtokas' contract with Greece is done.

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    It might have an out clause for the NBA.

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    It might have an out clause for the NBA.
    Here's hoping you're correct.

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    I took Johnny Ludden as saying the Spurs know of what Javs situation is with the Greece or whatever team and know there's a clause or he won't sign until whenever.

    The key is Johnny writing that the Spurs will go back to Jav if they need to like they have a fallback plan.

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    Knicks’ Butler Has Offer From the Spurs
    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/13/sp.../13knicks.html

    By HOWARD BECK
    Published: July 13, 2006
    Jackie Butler, who finished last season as the Knicks’ crunch-time center, has signed an offer sheet with the San Antonio Spurs.

    The contract is believed to be worth about $7 million over three years. Because Butler is a restricted free agent, the Knicks have seven days to match the offer or let him go. Team officials have not yet made a decision, according to a spokesman.

    This past season, his second in the N.B.A., the 6-foot-10 Butler played 55 games, averaging 5.3 points and 3.3 rebounds while shooting 54.4 percent from the field. Just 21, Butler was viewed as a promising prospect — particularly by Coach Larry Brown, who often referred to him as the team’s “fourth first-round pick.”

    The Spurs have parted with both centers from their 2005 championship run. Nazr Mohammed, the former Knick, signed a free-agent contract with Detroit. Rasho Nesterovic was traded to Toronto.

    “We’re excited about it,” Butler’s agent, Keith Glass, said of the offer sheet in a telephone interview. “It puts him at a different level, obviously.”

    If Butler stays with the Knicks, he could struggle to earn playing time; the team has nearly $90 million invested in centers Eddy Curry and Jerome James. When James faltered last season, Butler moved into a second-string role. In the final weeks, Brown often played Butler in fourth quarter rather than Curry.

    But the Knicks have 14 players with guaranteed contracts, and — if Curry and James are healthy and in shape — little use for another big man. Rather than extend a contract offer, the Knicks told Glass he should get the best deal he could and let them decide whether to match it.

    “They said, ‘Look, it’s nothing personal, but you’re going to have to bring us something,’ ” Glass said. But he expressed gra ude to the Knicks for plucking the undrafted Butler from the Continental Basketball Association in February 2005 and developing him into a solid player.

    Under N.B.A. rules, yesterday was the first day teams could sign or trade players. The Knicks have signaled they will not be active but are content to keep the roster as is. If they retain Butler, they will have the maximum number of players.

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    I took Johnny Ludden as saying the Spurs know of what Javs situation is with the Greece or whatever team and know there's a clause or he won't sign until whenever.

    The key is Johnny writing that the Spurs will go back to Jav if they need to like they have a fallback plan.
    Is there any way of knowing whether Javtokas would just balk at the renewed offer and play in Greece? Is he jonesing to come to the NBA?

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    That's the best Butler's agent could get?

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    Man, three-year, $7M probably won't be enough

    That is chump change to the Knicks.


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    I took Johnny Ludden as saying the Spurs know of what Javs situation is with the Greece or whatever team and know there's a clause or he won't sign until whenever.

    The key is Johnny writing that the Spurs will go back to Jav if they need to like they have a fallback plan.
    He could have written that before Javtokas agreed with terms with Greece. We'll see.

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    the Knicks told Glass he should get the best deal he could and let them decide whether to match it.
    Sounds promising.

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    If you're spliting the MLE how do you give Butler more than 10 million without making it an easier deal for Denver to match on the part of Elson.

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    Stealing a restricted free agent is probably the toughest thing to do in sports.
    Let's not get carried away.

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    I don't think the Knicks match a three year deal.

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    $10 million would've given them pause.

    Not this.

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