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What choice did the individual she destroyed have? You know, the one she gave away a part of her body to.Because the woman has the final choice when it comes to her body. Even if she ed up by having consentual sex.
Luck does have something to do with it, but I mostly blame the woman and her mate. That doesn't mean I think they should be punished.At this point you are blaming nature for creating the situation.
What choice did the individual she destroyed have? You know, the one she gave away a part of her body to.Because the woman has the final choice when it comes to her body. Even if she ed up by having consentual sex.
You ca reduce the chance of auto theft by getting a car alarm, but that doesn't mean you're ed if you're robbed and you can do something about it.Well there you go. The mother even can reduce the chance of conception in the first place.
Punished for what? Their own stupidity?Luck does have something to do with it, but I mostly blame the woman and her mate. That doesn't mean I think they should be punished.
Besides the fact that it's incapable of choice, it has less of a choice over its own body than the woman has over hers because he is dependant on the mother for survival.What choice did the individual she destroyed have? You know, the one she gave away a part of her body to.
What other laws do we have that directly punish mistakes?
Here's a simpler analogy: you can get VD if you have indiscriminate sex. You can reduce the risk of contracting VD if you use protection or, yes, not engage in such a behavior.You ca reduce the chance of auto theft by getting a car alarm, but that doesn't mean you're ed if you're robbed and you can do something about it.
And it will be incapable of "choice" once it immediately leaves the mother as well.Besides the fact that it's incapable of choice, it has less of a choice over its own body than the woman has over hers because he is dependant on the mother for survival.
Should you be forced to live with the VD if you have a way to get rid of it?
But it will have other options.And it will be incapable of "choice" once it immediately leaves the mother as well.
Fun as this is, I have put off too much work.
Good talk.
Yeah she's a volunteer in Dallas at CPS and from what I have heard her talk about, most of them are poor and uneducated, sadly. But there are some that you would never expect. And Dallas has some big problems with child abuse and neglect.
She's a total conservative christian Dallasite raised in the heart of the biblebelt..she has 3 kids(not mine) and loves babies...she would never get an abortion in a million years. But after volunteering there for many years and seeing some awful things she is pro-choice...even advocating it for one of the members of her family.
She told me to read a book called "a child called it" that was written by a man that was horribly abused as a child...Basically his mother called him "it" and treated him like a slave...this woman was devout chistian yet she foreced him to eat the excrement out of her other childrens diapers and things like that..that's actually the more moderate of the things she did to him....Horrible stuff...I am 100% in favor of the murder of this man's mother. And I'd have rather been aborted than live his life. To his credit...his story is pretty uplifting...he is now a very wealthy man and does a lot of good in speaking out against child abuse and mistreatment...but he is most definitely an exception to the rule. If you want to see what happens to some children that are born to people who have no business being parents, that book is a good place to start.
The Law of Common Sense. If you don't want to be pregnant, reduce your risk by using protection or, yes, abstinence. If you don't want to end up with broken bones, don't take a bike down the side of a steep hill.What other laws do we have that directly punish mistakes?
Instead the child should be punished with death.. a pretty high price to pay for someone else's choice.
So long as you don't have to terminate a child.Should you be forced to live with the VD if you have a way to get rid of it?
How will it know about those options and decide on the one it wants?But it will have other options.
Interesting...and so sad. Like I said in my first post, sometimes I wonder if parents should be required to have a license to be a parent. Or have to take x amount of parenting classes before giving birth.
Regarding A Child Called It: I've heard that that book is a fake a la Go Ask Alice. I may be able to dig up some links if you're interested on that issue.
Moral of the story: don't have consensual sex if you can't afford a(nother) child, or with anyone that you aren't married to and/or who wouldn't want to be involved with you for at least the next 18 years or so....or you're footing a very large tab, financially or more importantly, physically and emotionally, on your own....regardless of what you may already have on your plate.
Because even if the all the stars and planets are aligned, a condom might tear and there may not be a lunar eclipse to bail you out.
Am I close?
Last edited by SpursWoman; 10-29-2004 at 04:40 PM.
Checkmate!
If there is one thing I've learned is that when it comes to women.
Let them make their own decisions.
I kinda agree with that...like most problems this problem could be somewhat alleviated with education in schools. More than we are doing now.
No I've heard that also and the guy contradicts himself even in the book. But she has met the guy when he spoke at one of their conventions and she's convinced of his sincerity.Regarding A Child Called It: I've heard that that book is a fake a la Go Ask Alice. I may be able to dig up some links if you're interested on that issue.
For what it's worth...I hope it's a fake. I honestly do.
The most tragic real case I have heard her talk and actually met the person..was a man who was sexually abused by his minister father as a child, he was passed around to his fathers friends, just taken to their house and left for the weekend...he was used like a piece of garbage, he was horribly abused, he had incredibly low self esteem and thought he was gay for many years...one day he realized that he wasn't gay, he met a girl and got married...then he found out he had aids. I got to see this guy speak at the CPS convention about 3 years ago. He wasn't a fake. And I am forced to ask myself...just what was the purpose of this guys life? To suffer?
If you want to know the truth...while most of the cases of abuse and neglect are from poverty and lack of education...the most brutal ones I have heard her talk about, the parents were deeply religious people.
See I think that's part of the problem...I think the strong stance of the various religions on this issue forces a lot of their devout followers into having children out of not wanting to commit a sin...even though these people really don't want these kids...and the result is an inner resentment that leads to some really horrible cases of abuse.
Whottt, I've heard that also. I love true crime books and read a lot of them and most of the killers do come from a very religious background, you know, like the mom in Carrie...
LOL. Yeah Carrie's mom is the ultimate example.
For baseline.
This opinion is outright incorrect and religious zealotry...
"Muh Others" nutjobs on the right can be just as obnoxious as "Muh Others" nutjobs on the left, but they're far less numerous..
Interesting to see that's how the GOP margin in Texas has shrunk over the last couple decades
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