It was pretty weak.... a good put down is "It's people like you that are the reason we haven't bothered to cure cancer" feel free to use that in the future
There in lies the problem... you're expecting adult behavior from a kid.
Grown ups, if you're listoning, please, help control the pest population... have your Mavs trolls spayed or neutered...
I guess I should take my own advice and stop feeding them
I think Kori does an amazing job on here but she really needs to cut out all the offensive posters If possible. Or any other mods can. On most places what Stretch writes is banning material.
The Suns will not win a le with Amare at the 5 and Marion or Diaw at the 4. If the Suns could turn Marion's contract into some quality bigs then Phoenix could win it all. Of course they'd have to fire their coach, but we once thought Bob Hill was the man to lead us to the promise land.
Whats wrong with Amare at the 5? he is a legit 6'11 player who no one can stop. Diaw may only be 6'8 but does alot of good things around the basket. Marion is just a freak.a 20 and 10 player at the SF position is pretty good.
Honestly i don't see why winning a le is a problem with that frontcourt. The only team who can even compare to that is the Jazz.
Kori herself tells people to off from time to time. thats what makes this board 10 times better than any other board. shes a very cool moderator. if you dont like it, then leave, because there are plenty of other people who post FAR more offensive stuff, including many spurs fans. so shut the up.
You have alot of growing up to do.
Swearing and posting offensive stuff is not "cool" no matter what you think. Forums like these are used for basketball disussion not abusive people who insult and swear at people left right and center.
Go to spursreport than if you're against swearing. lol
didnt you pick the Suns to beat the Mavs last year?
That was before Raja Bell went down. After that, I pretty much gave up all hope until the first half of Game 6. Then, the second half came around and all was lost. I still think that team had the talent without Thomas and Stoudemire, but once Bell was done, it was over.didnt you pick the Suns to beat the Mavs last year?
This thread sure has turned into a poo fling for the ages!
I just had huge retort for stretch, but my internet went out, so I lost it... man, I'm pissed off - should have copied and pasted.
Eh, happens.
lol. i ing dont ing think its ing cool one ing bit. i just ing think its ing funny as that mother ers like you get so ing ed up over like that. oh .
if we want good basketball discussion, then there wouldnt be morons like you who think that a team that doesnt consistently play good defense or rebound the ball well, can win a le. any knowledgable fan of basketball and the NBA would know that.
oh, and if you are going to and moan to me about bad language, and moan at the other suns fans that say the same offensive things. otherwise, shut the up.
Last edited by stretch; 12-21-2006 at 10:30 PM.
or maybe you should have just re-wrote it. or better yet, not even post it at all, as you did, because it was probably some more worthless bull saying that the Suns can win it all despite not being a good defensive or a good rebounding team.
It basically centered around you saying that I can't bring up the past, but you keep referencing it with your "throughout history, this is how you win championships" bull .
And that your only argument is that they give up 100 PPG, which is ignorant.
I'll explain more later using a magna-doodle which is your standard form of communication.
dude, you may possibly be the most ignorant moron in the history of this forum (next to Jonathan). its one thing to say that throughout history, and all the way down to our time, all championship teams played good defense and rebounded the ball well. its another thing to compare the amount of scoring in the NBA today, to how the scoring was 20 years ago. more scoring may have been allowed, but teams also scored more PERIOD. its not like championship teams were scoring 95-100 ppg (as most teams average close to in our day), and allowing 110-120 (as teams allowed back then). thats ing stupid as . its like comparing in football. what may work in high school or college, will not work in the NFL. but ultimately, no matter what the cir stances are, you HAVE to have a good defense, and be able to control the trenches to win les. offenses will change in basketball, but ultimately, you have to be able to play defense and rebound to win les. anyone that has ever played basketball knows that the most important things are to play defense and rebound. if you do those things, everything else will eventually fall into place.
It's tiresome to explain things to you. Please watch NBA TV or ESPN classic someday and figure this out. The Celtics would give up 120 PPG in the Finals to the Lakers and still win. That's because they outscored the other team and could shoot. I wasn't comparing straight number totals (in fact, I was denouncing you for having only this "they give up 100 PPG" bull argument to describe the Suns defense). Everything is relative.
I have to go get laid right now... by a woman - which is something you've never experienced. So when I relieve that frustration, take a nap, and get back up - I'll come and give you a very long lesson in historical cycles of the NBA, how to play, watch, or analyze basketball, and best lubing techniques next time your boyfriend pounds you in the ass.
You took a 3 line comment by me and put your own spin on it and made it into something it's not.
Defense has taken over in this league. The Pistons were the first to fully concentrate on defense. Ever since than no team with purely offense has won a championship. The kings of a few years ago come the closest to the suns style.
In the playoffs the teams that win 1) get back on defense and prevent transition points 2) crash the defensive boards and prevent 2nd chance points (that's why we lost to the Mavs last year) The Suns are 12th in the league in rebounds per game, but they are involved in games with lots of shots because they jack it up so early in the shot clock. They are 23rd in rebounding differential. In fact, they are the only team in the top 15 in total rebounds with a negative rebounding differential, except for the Kings. Rebounding differential is a funny stat. The top 5 in the league are 1.) Utah 2.) Cleveland 3.) Knicks (?, We should steal David Lee from Isaiah while there's still time) 4.) Houston 5.) Dallas. The Spurs are tied for 9th (definitely cause for concern). From what I can tell: You need to be + to be a winning team, unless you're Phoenix, but it's not necessarily true that the more + the better the winning%, but there is something to that.
Remember when Utah played Kirilenko at the 4 and Okur or whoever at the 5? Then they got Boozer and moved AK47 to the 3 and all of a sudden they're the fronline of the future (they're +7 in rebound differential. #2 is 4.4 I think. I don't want to face Utah in the playoffs). If the Suns could get anything close to a Boozer-type 5 for Marion and play him at the 5, Amare at the 4 and Diaw at the 3 then it will be Jazz-Suns out west. Once Duncan gets another ring or 2 and rides off into the sunset, of course.
Interior defense is now the only real defense allowed. There's so many new rules that prohibit perimeter contact and the obstruction of an offensive player that unless said player is just extremely skilled and instinctive defensively, that it's almost more trouble to try. Basically teams are resigned to force to funnnel the ballhandler towards the baseline and the interior defense. Not many players can play straight up man-to-man perimeter defense very well any more. Bowen, Kobe... basically star defenders who'll continue to get the benefit of the doubt. Just look at Jason Kidd. He's supposed to be the best defensive PG and he's getting lit up, by and large...
It's not reason not to try, it's just perimeter defense is much more scheme than individual now...
one minute, you talk as if you are an old geezer who knows everything, coached basketball for a long time, etc... the next second, you talk as if you are a ing nerd, who thinks i give a what you say, thinking i believe one bit of you getting some tonight... by a woman - which is something ive never experienced, according to you. no one gives a whether you beat off to some virtual nerd girl or some stupid like that. the only people that actually use sex as an insult over the internet, are total ing s that seriously have no life, and probably get no sex either. how about ing yourself in the ass till you're bloody, and analyzing how you manage to chug more than Jenna Jameson.
"Boy, that escalated quickly. I mean, that really got out of hand fast."
- Ron Burgundy, "Anchorman"
What the has this thread devolved into?
Gracious... Don't you ignorant bas s know that name-calling is stupid?!
Now, if you don't mind, I'm going to back away from this mess that I helped create.
S-l-o-w-l-y... s-l-o-w-l-y... s-l-o-w-l-y... gone...
dirk4mvp, let's never fight again... I'm sorry for all those things I said to you because this right here is the biggest asswipe on the entire message board.
And stretch, thanks again for offering nothing constructive to this argument. I always have said that the Suns' rebounding concerns me, but I have been encouraged by their defensive activity so far this year. I'm not going to waste anymore keystrokes on you for tonight.
By the way, your mom was great...
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