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Your takes haven't even been a challenge....
Funny how your obsession with my iden y can give you no edge in debunking my core beliefs. You have to do better than that. Good luck!
If you knew about reading comprehension you would know that the Bible is a literary work. Full of symbolism, metaphors and other non-literal stories. But you take it literally so who needs a reading comprehension class?
Your takes haven't even been a challenge....
Funny how your obsession with my iden y can give you no edge in debunking my core beliefs. You have to do better than that. Good luck!
Do you hate mormons Phenomanul?
Ironic.
You assume to know what I believe about the bible.
Order can exist without a plan, often it is dictated by the laws of physics or evolution.
I don't hate anybody.... I do find some individuals rather irritating.
From your arguments you believe every ing word. That's why I assume.
Additionally, there is nothing ironic about it. Please learn the definition of irony before labeling statements as ironic.
So you find mormons irritating?
No not really. Laws were contrived with a purpose. Only the supernatural is unbounded by said constraints.
Chaotic unguided evolution (i.e. order without a plan) is a scientific fantasy with little basis. Purpose begets order. Order is the manifestation of purpose; not the other way around.
No. Only you and LaMarcus Bryant.
As in... Your trolling style is irritating, confuscating, and does not add any value to the thread.
Then go back and read again.
Ironic that you would throw the definition of a literary work into the argument as a point of argumentation.
Ironic that you don't even respect the book as a literary work.
Ironic that you would even believe said arguments would add any weight to your overall argument...
Not all irony is based on the literary meaning of the word, in the context of Homerian Ironies/Tragedies or greek usage.
Who the says I'm trolling? I'm stating my opinion just like your stupid ass is doing right now.
Then why the stupid leading questions???
"Do you hate mormons"....
Now let me watch the game in peace!!!!!
This is where we'll have to end our discussion, as I find the Theories (capitalized to indicate the scientific definition of Theory) of the vast majority of Biologists to be more coherent and credible, and your statement indicates you've already made up your mind on this subject.
What if God smoked cannabis?
I don't believe evolution is necessarily chaotic or unguided. Evolution comes about as flora and fauna adapt to environmental changes. Genetic changes are somewhat chaotic and unguided in of themselves, but the changes that give the animal or plant a strategic advantage in their environment are passed on to their offspring and result in evolutionary changes.
FYI = Phenomanul is clearly well educated. I actually find his posts rather interesting although somewhat misguided.
I can't read this whole thread.
I just hope that somewhere in here someone has said:
"How long can you tread water? Hahahahaha . . . "
I should have brought this 'nuance' to your attention yesterday.
Jews don't believe in the Trinitarian concept. Agree.
So why would the Jewish Canon be populated with Trinitarian prophesy if it wasn't in their best interest to present it as such. Why didn't they change it to suit their needs? Specifically the core beliefs of Judaism...
For example, why does the hebrew text refer to GOD in the plural tense whenever GOD says, "let Us make man in our own image". That clearly foreshadows a belief that Jews don't particularly endorse. The passage itself remains untouched to this day. Why? Unlike your argument that claims that people have willingly changed the meaning of the texts iteration upon iteration. The fact of the matter is that you all would be unable to accept the bible if you all knew that the translative integrity of the texts has been retained beyond belief. Are there passages which have been altered through the course of time? Sure... but can the message of the bible as a whole be rendered null by changes here or there? NO. This message is too unique, simple and yet fortified by 1000's of passages found throughout the bible.
Right... because clearly you haven't made up your mind on the matter.
Look, it's not about trying to change what you believe or don't believe, it's about trying to expose you to different perspectives and the reasoning behind them. Not just a simple "Because GOD said so"....
BTW many molecular biologists I know believe in the existence of GOD based on the amazing design and purpose found in the unique DNA molecule. Don't be fooled into thinking that all biologists or astronomers are agnostic/atheistic. They may not believe in the Judeo-Christian GOD per sé... but they acknowledge that life could not have arisen without the guided purpose provided by a supernatural being.
Last edited by Phenomanul; 01-11-2007 at 09:35 AM.
Youre not alone. Some people tend to lean against him for no other reason than his beliefs. That they conflict with their own. And that bothers alot of people. But the argument is always framed well, and if you stay polite and professional, the discussion can be highly engaging.
By request from johnsmith...
Obviously not universally applicable, but all the same I guess.
Ah, the lost meaning of "discussion" and its merits for a forum.
three is a very important and powerful number in any number of religions, past and present. the egyptians held three sacred, and egyptian symbolism and numerology had a profound impact on both Solomon and Judaism in general - Chiram, who helped Solomon build his temple (and was THE master builder), had his workmen divided into three groups - Entered Apprentices, Fellow-Craftsmen, and Master Masons. You could easily argue that Christianity co-opted this Trinitarian structure from Judaism, and ultimately Egyptian symbolism/numerology. (if you haven't read Manly P. Hall's excellent book, The Secret Teachings of All Ages it's a great read.)
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