ESPN Top 10 Centers

[Agloco]

I'm STILL waiting for some Jack Sikma or Manute Bol lovin'........................

Where the is it?

[peskypesky]

1. Kareem
2. Chamberlain
3. Russell
4. O'Neal
5. Olajuwon
6. Malone
7. Robinson
8. Reed
9. Walton
10. Parrish

As a Spurs fan, I HATED Shaq a few years ago. HATED! But you know what, it's because I hated his sheer physical dominance and the fact that he was on the enemy team. With his 4 rings, he now goes into the elite category of the top 4. I remember watching him in his prime, and his power, athleticism, speed and ferocity were awesome.

Malone goes ahead of Robinson for similar reasons, and also for longevity and his Finals MVP. Walton would've been higher but injuries came a-calling.

Reed had two Finals MVP's, so I can't see how anyone could leave him off this list.

And Parrish has just always been under-rated.

Ewing? No rings....Sorry....

[Bob Lanier]

Jack Sikma compares favorably to KG and David Robinson as an impact player.

[Bob Lanier]

Ewing? No rings....Sorry....

Beno Udrih: one ring.
John Stockton: zero rings.

Advantage: Beno!

[whottt]

Chauncy Billups = 1 Finals MVP

Ben Wallace = 0

Billups > Wallace

[Obstructed_View]

Yep. I also watched les while Hakeem got championships. Lucky for Hakeem that the bulls didn't have Jordan or Hakeem would be ringless.

Goddamn dude you are so ing stupid it defies the imagination. This is the second completely idiotic post you've made. Pointing out that Hakeem went downhill in his 13th season in the league was ing GENIUS.

[Sec24Row7]

Bill Russel doesnt belong on that list... Niether do Walton or Mikan

[peskypesky]

Beno Udrih: one ring.
John Stockton: zero rings.

Advantage: Beno!

Are you just mad that I left you off the list, Bob? I really wanted to include you and Nate Thurmond, but couldn't fit you in to the top 10. But you were great in your prime.

[Sec24Row7]

Russel is up there because of rings... some of which came with 8 teams in the league...

Mikan the same...

Walton... because he has an office down the hall...

None of them deserve to be ranked where they are.

Russell was 6'9".

If Ben Wallace was by some freak rip in time was put in his place, then HE would be considered a top 3 center of all time.

[exstatic]

And the les before that?

Oh, so NOW it's about les?

[exstatic]

amare?

[exstatic]

Dave's all around game is SO much better than Shaq's ever was that it isn't funny. Shaq does one thing: use his immense girth to run over people. If there was anyone on the list that had 2-3 good seasons, he's the one. A huge chunk of this late career is without any other dominant center playing against him.

[polandprzem]

Russel is up there because of rings... some of which came with 8 teams in the league...

Mikan the same...

Walton... because he has an office down the hall...

None of them deserve to be ranked where they are.

Russell was 6'9".

If Ben Wallace was by some freak rip in time was put in his place, then HE would be considered a top 3 center of all time.

WTF?


If you would put LeBron James in a time machine and send him back to 1955 (McFlY) he would be considered the best player in history period!


IMO Russ should be at no 1 spot.Team sport.

[mardigan]

WTF?


If you would put LeBron James in a time machine and send him back to 1955 (McFlY) he would be considered the best player in history period!


IMO Russ should be at no 1 spot.Team sport.

He would be called Oscar Robertson

[mardigan]

Bill Russel doesnt belong on that list... Niether do Walton or Mikan

Yea right, a guy that averaged 15 points and 22 rebounds with 11 rings doesnt belong on the list. Not to mention that they didnt even keep stats on blocks back then, or he would probably hold that record as well

[peskypesky]

Yea right, a guy that averaged 15 points and 22 rebounds with 11 rings doesnt belong on the list. Not to mention that they didnt even keep stats on blocks back then, or he would probably hold that record as well

agree

[whottt]

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...97/ai_20454706

one of a few articles i've found about it. Not wikipedia. that one was written in 1998. if you'd like more i'll post them.

There's even an article written in Robinson's own words saying that the entire focus of the Spurs game was to put the scoring le out of reach for Shaq. And if the team is napping the entire game and then starts foul in the end to lengthen the game, 17 fouls could be alot. like i said, a cheap way to get the scoring le.

Again, I was always a big fan of Robinson, so being in a debate where I'm trying to criticize him isn't exactly something I want to do. But whatever.

The entire Spurs team totaled 17 fouls in that game. Total...for the entire ing game. Not a single Spurs player had more than 3 fouls.

17 fouls is an enormously low total....

Additionally, you are flat out lying about David Robinson's comments about that game...he says the Clippers were fighting like , and he had the scratches on his arms to prove it...

And guys guarding him, one of them fouled out, another had 5 fouls, and another had 4 fouls.

[mardigan]

http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/8895/71sco.htm

In this he does say that the team wanted him to get the scoring le, but like Whott said he had to fight for his points.

[whottt]

Box score from David's 71 point game:

  

  San Antonio (112) @ LA Clippers (97) 04/24/94


San Antonio (112)

                POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA TGM-TGA ORB-TRB AS ST BL TO PF  TP
 mings,Terry    F  22   2-10    1- 2    0- 0    6-12   2  0  0  1  0   5
Rodman,Dennis     F  36   4- 5    0- 0    0- 0    3-17   3  1  1  2  1   8
Robinson,David    C  44  26-41   18-25    1- 2    4-14   5  0  2  8  2  71
Del Negro,Vinny   G  26   1- 3    0- 0    0- 0    0- 2   6  4  0  2  2   2
Daniels,Lloyd     G  25   2- 7    0- 0    0- 2    0- 2   1  2  1  3  2   4
Knight,Negele        24   3- 6    0- 0    0- 0    0- 0   5  0  1  0  2   6
Floyd,Sleepy         23   1- 5    1- 4    1- 2    1- 5   6  0  0  4  3   4
Carr,Antoine         24   2- 2    0- 0    0- 0    0- 1   0  1  0  0  1   4
Reid,J.R.            12   2- 6    2- 2    0- 0    3- 4   0  0  0  1  2   6
Haley,Jack            4   1- 2    0- 0    0- 0    0- 1   0  0  0  0  2   2
TOTALS              240  44-87   22-33    2- 6   17-58  28  8  5 21 17 112

    FG %: .506  FT %: .667  Three %: .333  Team Rebs: 10  Team TOs: 0


LA Clippers (97)

                POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA TGM-TGA ORB-TRB AS ST BL TO PF  TP
Wilkins,Dominique F  21   6-17    3- 4    1- 3    0- 1   2  1  0  1  2  16
Vaught,Loy        F  25   7-10    2- 2    0- 0    2- 4   1  0  0  0  4  16
Spencer,Elmore    C   5   0- 0    0- 0    0- 0    0- 1   0  0  1  1  2   0
Jackson,Mark      G  16   1- 6    0- 0    0- 1    2- 3   6  2  0  0  0   2
Harper,Ron        G  20   2- 6    0- 0    0- 0    0- 3   0  1  1  4  0   4
Martin,Bob           20   1- 2    0- 0    0- 0    0- 4   1  0  2  1  4   2
Outlaw,Charles       27   2- 5    0- 0    0- 0    3- 6   0  1  3  1  6   4
Dehere,Terry         28  10-17    4- 4    2- 3    2- 3   2  1  0  2  0  26
Grant,Gary           14   2- 4    0- 0    0- 0    0- 1   4  2  0  2  0   4
Ellis,Harold         27   6-15    2- 4    0- 1    1- 6   0  2  0  0  5  14
Williams,John        19   1- 4    0- 0    0- 2    0- 4   2  2  0  2  2   2
Woods,Randy          18   1- 9    4- 6    1- 8    2- 3   5  2  0  2  3   7
TOTALS              240  39-95   15-20    4-18   12-39  23 14  7 16 28  97

     FG %: .411  FT %: .750  Three %: .222  Team Rebs: 8  Team TOs: 0

               San Antonio               20 17 32 43 -- 112
               LA Clippers               19 16 32 30 --  97

Officials: HOLLINS, MIDDLETON, FINE
Attendance: 16005  Time of Game: 2:09

Now here's the box score from Shaq's game played later that same day...

New Jersey (91) @ Orlando (120) 04/24/94


New Jersey (91)

                POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA TGM-TGA ORB-TRB AS ST BL TO PF  TP
Brown,P.J.        F  17   2- 6    0- 0    0- 0    3- 4   0  1  0  0  3   4
Coleman,Derrick   F  30  10-15    4- 6    1- 2    1- 5   7  0  2  3  2  25
Benjamin,Benoit   C  22   3- 9    0- 0    0- 0    1- 2   0  0  1  2  3   6
Edwards,Kevin     G  24   2- 6    0- 0    0- 1    0- 1   3  3  0  1  1   4
Anderson,Kenny    G  25   6-12    3- 5    2- 4    1- 3   8  3  1  4  4  17
Morris,Chris         26   0- 3    0- 0    0- 0    4- 8   2  1  2  1  1   0
Williams,Jayson      21   1- 6    4- 6    0- 0    1- 5   0  2  0  0  3   6
Wesley,David         18   1- 5    0- 0    0- 1    0- 2   3  2  1  5  0   2
Gilliam,Armon        19   2- 6    2- 6    0- 0    3- 6   0  0  0  1  2   6
Newman,Johnny        23   4- 8    2- 2    1- 2    2- 2   0  0  1  0  3  11
Mahorn,Rick           7   2- 2    1- 2    0- 0    1- 2   0  0  1  1  0   5
Walters,Rex           8   2- 5    1- 2    0- 0    0- 0   2  0  0  1  0   5
TOTALS              240  35-83   17-29    4-10   17-40  25 12  9 19 22  91

     FG %: .422  FT %: .586  Three %: .400  Team Rebs: 9  Team TOs: 0


Orlando (120)

                POS MIN FGM-FGA FTM-FTA TGM-TGA ORB-TRB AS ST BL TO PF  TP
Krystkowiak,Larry F  28   4- 8    1- 2    0- 0    1- 2   0  1  0  6  2   9
Scott,Dennis      F  37   7-14    4- 4    2- 6    0- 2   7  1  0  1  1  20
O'Neal,Shaquille  C  41  12-21    8-14    0- 0    5-22   2  0  2  1  2  32
Anderson,Nick     G  35   8-16    2- 2    3- 8    3- 4   5  5  0  4  2  21
Hardaway,Anfernee G  34   4-10    4- 8    0- 2    2- 7   8  3  1  4  1  12
Avent,Anthony        19   1- 4    2- 2    0- 0    2- 7   2  0  1  2  3   4
Skiles,Scott         14   3- 6    0- 0    1- 2    0- 1   4  1  0  0  1   7
Bowie,Anthony        13   0- 3    0- 0    0- 0    5- 6   1  1  1  1  3   0
Royal,Donald         11   3- 5    3- 4    0- 0    2- 2   1  0  0  0  3   9
Green,Litterial       5   2- 4    0- 0    0- 0    1- 2   1  0  0  0  0   4
Hammink,Geert         3   1- 3    0- 0    0- 0    1- 1   1  0  0  0  1   2
TOTALS              240  45-94   24-36    6-18   22-56  32 12  5 19 19 120

    FG %: .479  FT %: .667  Three %: .333  Team Rebs: 16  Team TOs: 0

               New Jersey                27 20 23 21 --  91
               Orlando                   36 22 28 34 -- 120

Officials: SALVATORE, MADDEN, KINSEY
Attendance: 15291  Time of Game: 2:05

Please note...Shaq's team commited 2 more fouls than DRob's...they played after Drob...Shaq didn't score half of what David did...inspite of his team commiting 2 more fouls.

This is the kind of ing bull people always do to David Robinson.

Shaq is the one that wanted to win a scoring le...David didn't give a about winning one.






Anything else you want to add?


And there's nothing loaded about David's totals either...

He shot over 50%...too bad he was having a ty day from the FT line...and too bad about those 8 to's...

[polandprzem]

He would be called Oscar Robertson

Yup

cause Oscar had such power and leap to demolish the defense

[mardigan]

I was just looking at Big O s stats, they are absolutely staggering

[polandprzem]

I was just looking at Big O s stats, they are absolutely staggering

and?

[polandprzem]

Are here people that want to compare the stats through ages?

Then

[mardigan]

And nothing, just talking

[mardigan]

Are here people that want to compare the stats through ages?

Then

Why wouldnt you compare stats through the ages, basketball hasnt changed much since the late 60s, athletic ability included