No read my last post. The all-stars now are much better.
Ive read all your posts. You got served deal with it. So your saying Eddie Jones>Clyde Drexler, Jordan, Gary Payton, Richmond, K.J., Kobe, Kidd, Penny, Glen Rice and Reggie Miller? Or your saying guys now or better, either way your wrong yet again. Have you ever even watched basketball?
LOL okie dokie then....I can't recall the last time there was such shortage of quality SG in the league that we put scrubs in the All-Star game, but whatever you have to say to win your weak little argument.
No there was a shortage of great shooting guards after Jordan retired so no surprise Eddie Jones got in. Now the shooting guards loaded with superstars. Anyways Shaq's team was still really good. Just not quite championship level. Kobe's team is one loss from missing the playoffs. The argument is not weak.
Eddie Jones was on the AS team as the same time as Jordan idiot. And Kobe, and Miller, and Kidd, and so on and so on. You just keep being wrong and making up more dumb ass excuses that make you look even more wrong
That's a very small thing. You like to bring small details in this. The fact is Eddie Jones is not the usual all-star as he barely makes it. He was in the west while Jordan was in the east so that doesn't matter. Now both sides are loaded with superstar shooting guards which I think are players that could win with Shaq. You keep ignoring the part where Kobe's team shouldn't be this bad. Shaq's team has been good to great for the last 12 years or so.
Why the shouldnt Kobes team be this bad? While Shaq was surounded by a stud in Wade, great role players in Haslim and Posey, and one time stars like Peyton, Williams, Walker and Jones, Kobe got Smush, Walton, and a s of himself Odom.
Jones made the AS team the next year in the east in 00 after he made it in 98 on the west, with Vince, Reggie, A.I., Ray Allen and Allan Houston. 3 of those guys are still dominant right now, so whats you excuse now?
Dude get off why Eddie Jones was an all-star. It's about as important as how Walker did last year. Shaq in his prime could take that pathetic Lakers team you say sucks and get them 50+ wins. Walker, Williams, and Payton all suck right now. Payton was great in his day though. Actually the Heat are doing better this year without Wade than without Shaq once again. This proves that a former s of Shaq is still dominant enough to alter the game.
You ing brought up the fact that Shaq could win with any all star shooting guard. So Mono brings up Jones being an AS. Then you make up the excuse uh, well, the AS are better now then when he made it, which is total bull . Then you bring up how good Walker was, then get disproved, and now none of those things matter because you keep getting disproved. You have crappy takes, cant make a decent point, and probably just started watching basketball. Cant wait to see Walton lead the Lakers through the playoffs
Let me rephrase it than. Shaq can win with any all star shooting guard and a solid supporting cast similar including Phil Jackson, Derek Fisher, Ron Harper, Rick Fox, Devean George, Horry, Madsen, and etc. Just to be more specific.
mavsfan, you do realize that Miami was a playoff team before Shaq came aboard, right?
and that the Lakers were completely decimated the year Shaq left.
Shaq went to a playoff level team and Kobe is starting from scratch.
Do you realize the Heat had to give up Odom, Butler, and Atkins for Shaq? 3 players couldn't make up close to what Shaq was worth. The Lakers became the Heat (subpar) and the Heat became the Lakers. (champions)
So you're saying Shaq needs an All-Star shooting guard, a Hall Of Fame head coach, 3 point shooting specialists, big time defensive stoppers, strong post players, an all-time great clutch shooter to win a le....wow, you're really making a strong case here...
H ejust doesnt get it, I think its best for everyone if we just moved on. You have served him at least 3 times in this thread and he just keeps making up.
You don't get it. All of Kobe's team accomplishments were with Shaq. He has yet shown any sign of leading a team. Even in his prime.
i don't think you got this part....THE HEAT WERE A PLAYOFF TEAM before Shaq came. They almost made it to the Eastern Conference Finals before Shaq even showed up...it's not like Shaq took over some team. THEY WERE A PLAYOFF TEAM THAT ADVANCED IN THE PLAYOFFS. Meanwhile, the Lakers didn't just lose Shaq, they lost Malone, Payton, Fisher, Fox, and Horace Grant as well.
Well that would be a good point if they kept Odom, Butler, and Atkins. The Heat without those 3 players wouldn't do in the playoffs without Shaq as well. They also lost Rafer Alston. lol
No its a good point redardless. They didnt have to give up Wade, so they could put 2 superstars together, which as we have covered, will usually lead to a le
Not all 2 superstars work together. For example AI and Melo. The better phrase for these type of players is super balls hog. lol To be the ideal superstar you need to score a lot, play defense, pass well, and shoot a high percentage. Added bonuses are getting the other teams players in foul trouble. As a big man you need to challenge and block shots along with rebounding.
Im going to start calling you Spurdynasty jr. That is your new name, and you shall be called it until the end of time
What did I say that was so homeristic? I'm sorry if I get too complicated for you. Your brain isn't use to working this hard. lol
Whatever you say SD jr.
So you resort to smack talking since you don't have any other comeback. Yeah I made some small detail screw ups but the main idea is it is much easier building a team around Shaq than it is Kobe.
If you had said this to start with I would have agreed. Its usually easier to build a team around a dominant big man. But you said that Shaq was more valuable during the le runs and that Kobe didnt do and that he sucks now. All of which or wrong. Anyway, Im done arguing with you
Yeah I never said Kobe sucked. I don't know how you came up with that. Kobe is a very good player. I just think Shaq made a bigger impact all around than Kobe. I'm done as well. Both are needed for those championships but there are some players that are close to Kobe's level that could do the same thing. Mcgrady and Wade come to mind first. There aren't any players that do what Shaq does though.
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