On the otherhand nice to see so many teams interested in a Fizer type player. If Portland gets rid of Randolph, Scola for Outlaw. Gives Portland an experienced, fiery veteran to raise the kids.
I don't think Fizer avalibilty has an influence on Scola trade value.
Scola has some edges over Fizer. Scola has a high BBIQ while Fizer is known for his low BBIQ. Fizer is overweight and has been a journeyman while Scola has had a lot of success in europe and with argentina.
I can see a nba teams being interested in Fizer as 10th-12th man and being interested in Scola as 6th-8th man.
Well, given their ACB stats and Fizer's NBA stats, how much more would they expect out of Scola?
I guess I'm asking the same question -- what would GMs expect from Scola and how much would they be prepared to pay and give up for that?
I have trouble seeing a package we could put together that Chicago would want in exchange for Nocioni and the likely MLE-or-higher kind of money he could get.
Fizer was a 12/6 nba player during 2 seasons. He was playing with a bad team.
I can see an optimistic GM, hopping that Scola put the same stats or maybe slighty better stats with a good team.
If I were a GM, I will never trade Nocioni for Scola straight up. Nocioni is a sure thing while Scola can be at best as good as Nocioni.
Spurs only hope to get Nocioni is that teams don't get equal value in S&T. With some luck,a Scola + 2008 late first round pick offer for Nocioni could be the best solution available for Bulls this summer.
But what other player or players would Chicago accept to make the salaries work?With some luck,a Scola + 2008 late first round pick offer for Nocioni could be the best solution available for Bulls this summer.
I think one or more other teams would have to get involved.
Spurs have tons of expirings : Udrih, Barry, White, Elson, Horry(if he decide to retire) or Butler. Spurs can too give some cash to pay their salary.
Butler has to be attractive to Chicago, as well. Not as a normal rotation guy, but he's someone who can score in the post.
BTW, it seems that hoopshype is wrong on Nocioni this year salary : it's $3.95M and not $3.03M. S&T with the BYC stuff are easier to do.
Expirings for non-rotation players mean nothing to Chicago since they can just let Nocioni walk and not have to pay anything for a player that gives them nothing. We have to give them player(s) that will potentially see time in the Chicago rotation. The only guys I can see the Bulls being interested in are Barry, because he can still light it up from the perimeter, and Scola, because they want a PF who can score in the post. We will probably have to include picks as well.
That's the best deal Chicago could get for Nocioni? Just seems unlikely. Chicago could always re-sign nocioni and trade him later if they don't find a deal to their liking. I don't see that much pressure on the Bulls to deal this summer.
Not sure if it was said before, but today in ARG's newspaper (ole) Nocioni said he was told about trade scenario many times, and he'd love to eat some good barbacues in San Antonio ... is there decent meal in Texas? argentineans are very demanding!!!
If you find a better deal with another team that makes sense for both teams and Nocioni...
Given all the constraints, I don't see a lot of possibilities for Chicago. A first and Scola could be the best offer.
It's too a possibility.
I too don't think that nocioni with Sprus is the more likely solution.
jesus. you used the Fizer comparison to downplay Scola's value for quite some time now.
maybe you should just watch Scola play (I expect the GMs also don't buy the players just from a stat sheet) and you would see, that he is just a better player than Fizer. a much better player. no matter what the scoring numbers say. end of story.
would you in fact go out and put Zach on the same level with Tim because of his scoring numbers?
I asked how the actual reported interest in Fizer would affect the unreported interest in you folks believe there is in Scola, if at all.jesus. you used the Fizer comparison to downplay Scola's value for quite some time now.
Why don't you take off the kneepads for a second and answer the question.Is the difference that big?would you in fact go out and put Zach on the same level with Tim because of his scoring numbers?
What should everyone expect from Scola in the NBA?
from Nocioni like impact (as best case scenario) to Garbajosa like impact (as worst case).
I use this two, because I have seen them play alongside or against Scola.
in other words: 15 and 7 as a best case scenario (a reach, would only happen on a bad team), 12 and 6 as a more realistic scenario and 10 and 5 as the worst case.
Garbajosa came with a reputation as a considerably better defender and outside shooter, no?
That's what I call a perfect block ...with Bruce and Chapu on court we would have a multiracial defense ... is just a question of ordering .. you prefer a dirty afroamerican or white "pest" guy
Off speakin yeah, but as a soul of the team I prefer Chapu in any giving day
If Nocioni would be inerested in playing for the spurs..Couldn't he force the bulls to sign and trade him? Telling the bulls that if they match any offer, he wouldn't be the same player coming back, not willing to give it his all etc. The only smart thing for chicago to do is then signing him and trading him to the spurs so that they can at least get something out of this all?
I was talking about the overall impact that could be expected. and in this regard, Scola should provide at least as much help for a team like Garbajosa did.
(didn't try to compare them by every aspect of their game. Garbajosa is a better outside shooter. Scola has the better post moves. Garbajosa is a better defender. Scola is a better passer. Garbajosa is smarter. Scola has more fire. where would you stop to compare?)
Or, as I think is the plan, he becomes our second low-post scoring option. Kid can work the block, seriously! Soft touch too. He'll get his chance to play some backup minutes next year as long as he keeps the weight off over summer.
I hope Scola and whatever else they want can get us Nocioni, he would be fantastic here. Historically, we've not been very good at deals like this, but we have Oberto and Manu and I think that might be a factor in this scenario.
Fingers crossed.
(I'm sure he's not another Hedo...)
If we can use scola to help get nocioni, fantastic..
If we decide to keep scola and sign him this or next year, Great..
This really is a win win situation for the spurs cause either way the spurs should get better with either of these 2 players.
If the Bulls believe that they will have a good team next year (I do), then they will be giving up a first-round pick to the Spurs. That conditional pick is one of the bargaining chips we have with them.
would you want him if he did that? like that is for little es
I´m from Argentina, in the national Team the situation is:
Ginobili > Scola > Nocioni > Oberto > Pepe > Hermmann > Delfino
So a Scola for Nocioni trade is a good business, a Scola and other player not
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