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    So? Doesn't that mean whites have at least progressed?
    It sure does, but you have to understand that the hundreds of years of oppression and discrimination does not just come screeching to a halt because the laws were changed. The mindsets of many on both sides of the racial lines remained, and were passed down to their children.

    I tell you where you draw the line. You draw the line with en ies that hope to have any sort of commercial relationship with the federal government.
    If you're a government contractor, supplier, or employer; you may not discriminate for any "accident of birth." Period.
    That's where you draw the line.
    If you sink your own time, treasure, and talent into a private business, you should have every right to share that enterprise with anyone you choose for any reason.
    In this day and age with CEO's like Oprah Winfrey. No.
    I don't believe society would allow it to occur. In fact, I believe companies that choose to discriminate, for reasons beyond the employees control, would be marginalized and eventually suffer or fail.
    We won't ever know unless you stop the preferential treatment of minorities.
    Saying that you can't discriminate based on race is not preferential treatment. That is equality.

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    It sure does, but you have to understand that the hundreds of years of oppression and discrimination does not just come screeching to a halt because the laws were changed. The mindsets of many on both sides of the racial lines remained, and were passed down to their children.
    That's hogwash. Sorry, but it is.

    There's absolutely nothing preventing the black community from joining the rest of society.

    Saying that you can't discriminate based on race is not preferential treatment. That is equality.
    No, that's a violation of my cons utional right to free association.

    Saying that government can't discriminate, based on race, is equality. In fact -- you can find it the Cons ution.

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    It sure does, but you have to understand that the hundreds of years of oppression and discrimination does not just come screeching to a halt because the laws were changed. The mindsets of many on both sides of the racial lines remained, and were passed down to their children.
    Your statement suggests we should be just as understanding of former oppressors and bigots.

    See why it's hogwash?

    After all, should we allow bigots to slowly emerge for their centuries of bigotry and discrimination?

    New rules, everyone's expected to play by 'em.

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    I think it's a combination of that culture glorifying violence, degrading women, destroying families, isolating themselves from the rest of society, and suppressing achievement among their own…..

    I don't believe the current dysfunction in the black community is due to oppression or poverty. I believe it has it roots in the culture being insulated from criticism by the race-baiters completely vilifying any person, as a bigot and racist, that dare say anything negative about black culture...

    All of a sudden, any criticism is racism and all negative acts are born of racism. The current generation has been raised to believe this and it's reinforced by every "reverend" in every major city that jumps on the race card whenever something untoward befalls a black person...
    I agree and it certainly doesn’t help when a successful member of the black community, such as Cosby, is chastised for criticism of black youth culture and parenting.

    I think Asian immigrants -- from the Vietnamese boat people to Chinese political refugees -- are an excellent example of how a culture dropped itself into a strange land, overcame racism and bigotry, and pulled themselves up by the bootstraps.
    For 250 years, blacks were to a large degree cultureless, except for slave culture. Any positive value of tribal culture was for the most part lost or of little value due to conditions of slavery, i.e. destruction of cultural ins utions like, family, tradition, customs and values. Development of positive cultural values that lend themselves to the long-term survival and the ability to assimilate can take thousands of years. Who would argue that any people enslaved for so long could be expected to enthusiastically adopt a culture that for the most part rejected and used them.

    The problem seems to stem from black rejection of a white cultural iden y that is perceived as having enslaved and discriminated. How likely would you be to trust and adopt the cultural iden y of the very people you perceive as having limited yours and your ancestors opportunity? The fix was in for a long time.

    I do believe the big difference here is that blacks somehow hold me responsible -- because I'm white -- for the oppression of their ancestors and they think I owe them something for the trouble my ancestors may or may not have caused their ancestors.
    Right or wrong, many probably do “somehow hold you responsible” as a cultural beneficiary. Time wise some whites had a 250-year head start in cultural opportunity, and that‘s not counting comparisons of cultural development before slavery or the segregation and discrimination since the Civil War.

    The Vietnamese, many of whom suffered through a war involving our troops in their country, came here -- dealt with the racism directed at them -- and have come much farther than blacks, in the basically the same amount of time.
    Comparing Vietnamese culture with a formerly enslaved and emerging black culture reveals little more than the long-term devastating effects of slavery on cultural development and assimilation.

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    Those blacks like to riot and start . You can find it in the Cons ution.

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    Those blacks like to riot and start . You can find it in the Cons ution.
    You're really adding to the conversation. Thanks.

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    When it's a "conversation" like this, yeah I'm adding to it. Go ahead and try to hide your hatred of blacks all you want. Your true colors are shining through.

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    When it's a "conversation" like this, yeah I'm adding to it. Go ahead and try to hide your hatred of blacks all you want. Your true colors are shining through.
    No, yours are. But, that's okay.

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    Yeah, you're right. I'm not going to take an isolated incident and use it to condemn all members of a certain race. We get it, you hate African-Americans.

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    Yeah, you're right. I'm not going to take an isolated incident and use it to condemn all members of a certain race. We get it, you hate African-Americans.
    No, you don't get it. And that, too, is okay. Not everyone is able to keep up.

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    Yeah, you're right. I'm not going to take an isolated incident and use it to condemn all members of a certain race. We get it, you hate African-Americans.

    He's not condemning all members of a certain race, he's criticizing it's culture. Too very different things because skin color does not necessarily determine culture. Africans are alot different that the american version so he's not implying skin tone. So put your Rolling thunder hear my Cry novel away and spare everyone the lynching photos, because the truth of the matter is, that no one got lynched here and no one was provoked. The only victim at this rally was the hispanic man in it.

    I don't get it, 80 percent of blacks thought OJ was innoccent contrary to every other ethnicity who thought he was guilty. Don't act as if Black culture is sainted and pure unlike all the others. Let's not act as if the black culture is not at fault for some of it's ailments.

    And for you to try to come on this forum and try to paint Yoni and others as the extreme nuts to deflect from your own conservative history, is pretty pathetic. Now you're posting Joe Biden's weblog advertisements for s and giggles.

    It seems like the Victoria crowd blackmailed MB into being a pansy moderate. I guess the rumors of the pictures with MB covered in Sperms was true afterall.

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    I'm speaking my mind. I'll let you worry about Photoshop. It's obvious what you two are about and it's disgusting.

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    Yeah, you're right. I'm not going to take an isolated incident and use it to condemn all members of a certain race. We get it, you hate African-Americans.
    So, when did I condemn all members of a certain race? And, no, I don't hate African-Americans.

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    I'm speaking my mind. I'll let you worry about Photoshop. It's obvious what you two are about and it's disgusting.

    ,YEah, i was working on der final solution, when all of the sudden i ran out of A&W to compliment my meat lovers hand tossed pizza. Aw the stress of running a hatemongering empire needs to take a backseat to provolone and canadian bacon every now and then...

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    I'm speaking my mind. I'll let you worry about Photoshop. It's obvious what you two are about and it's disgusting.

    Plus, you're just a self loathing , and you don't know what you're talking about. If latinos were doing the same i'd condemn them too. And they actually are walking down the same path.



    Why don't you stick to getting owned by Mookie and Lamarcus Bryant.

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    Oh no, the two resident bigots of the Political Forum are mad.

    Of course, gtown is a latino white supremacist, which makes him all the more sad. Plus he seems to have an infatuation with men and sperm.

    You guys aren't conservatives, but racists ready to condemn an entire race over the actions of a few.

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    Oh no, the two resident bigots of the Political Forum are mad.
    You're as bad at judging emotions as you are at judging character and reading forums.

    You guys aren't conservatives,
    You're right.

    ...but racists ready to condemn an entire race over the actions of a few.
    You're wrong.

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    Marcus is dead-on correct.

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    Oh no, the two resident bigots of the Political Forum are mad.

    Of course, gtown is a latino white supremacist, which makes him all the more sad. Plus he seems to have an infatuation with men and sperm.

    You guys aren't conservatives, but racists ready to condemn an entire race over the actions of a few.

    I love that "latino white supremacist tag" how did you pull that out of your ass?

    THis has nothing to do with skin color, but the culture and at ude of urban blacks how have a victim mentality. I think we've established that 20 post ago.

    But now you're way to infuriated with the fact that Mookie and Cbf do have a picture of yourself covered in sperms. I think that picture put you away from the political forum for a while.

    So while you might be a very experienced poster, one time feeling butthurt and you'll disappear like the you are..

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    Marcus is dead-on correct.
    Good, stay on the pro marcus camp. He needs your approval.

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    Not really, we usually don't get along well -- but right is right.

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    Not really, we usually don't get along well -- but right is right.

    He's calling people names, and mischaracterizing, i guess that's what you mean by right. You both seem to have so much in common.

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    I haven't seen a mischaracterization from him in this particular thread.

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    I haven't seen a mischaracterization from him in this particular thread.

    You would probably have to read the thread first before you just hop and pist on people, which would be to much to overcome because that's just your own pathetic nature.

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    You would probably have to read the thread first
    Already did. His characterization is accurate.

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