Lowered Expectations in Iraq

[ChumpDumper]

It's the people who have media value and are invested in us losing that I am calling traitors. Are you that important? As for true American... Maybe I won't explain that one. No need to piss anyone off.... Let's just say that people should really consider the rammifications of their words.

Let's just say you're throwing around words you aren't even serious about and possibly don't even understand. "Invested in us losing"? What does that mean?

I acknowledged a mistake and did look things up. Your point? You are the one being ridiculous by being petty about things. At least I am man enough to admit mistakes.

After refusing to admit them. How manly. You proved you simply didn't know what you were talking about. It's easy to see that trend has continued.

[E20]

If you can't judge or blame someone you have not been paying much attention.

For the sake of argument lets say W had good reason to invade Iraq. His complete incompetence bungled everything positive that could have come from the invasion.

Saying, oh its a tough situation doesn't excuse incompetence.

You should be demanding more from your government, especially because if we get into another ill advised war, it will be you and your friends fighting it, not me.

I never said I agree with what he has done, but given his position and what was thrown at him, he had some tough decisions to make and he did what he thought was best and after it's done it's done. I mean we can talk about how the situation is F'ed up, but that wouldn't really get anything done. He invaded Afghanistan which was not a bad idea and most Afghans are grateful for getting rid of the Taliban, but he didn't have a solid reason to enter Iraq which I disagree with the entering of that war, but what are you gonna do about it.

we get into another ill advised war, it will be you and your friends fighting it, not me.

I'm in college so I won't get drafted.

You should be demanding more from your government

Ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country.[/JFK]

[medstudent]

I never said I agree with what he has done, but given his position and what was thrown at him, he had some tough decisions to make and he did what he thought was best and after it's done it's done. I mean we can talk about how the situation is F'ed up, but that wouldn't really get anything done. He invaded Afghanistan which was not a bad idea and most Afghans are grateful for getting rid of the Taliban, but he didn't have a solid reason to enter Iraq which I disagree with the entering of that war, but what are you gonna do about it.

I'm in college so I won't get drafted.

Ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country.[/JFK]

Dude. College doesn't protect you. Go to the selective service website. You'll see that they take everyone. 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 19, 18.

[E20]

Dude. College doesn't protect you. Go to the selective service website. You'll see that they take everyone. 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 19, 18.

I guess it's changed, but during the Vietnam war if you were going to college they couldn't draft you to fight, but do some cilvilan work or was I mistaken?

[DarkReign]

Ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country.[/JFK]

Dont quote a man who was executed on the very topic we discuss.

Not very relevant when we know who "won" that argument.

[ChumpDumper]

he didn't have a solid reason to enter Iraq which I disagree with the entering of that war, but what are you gonna do about it.

Demand competence in the prosecution of the war.

I'm in college so I won't get drafted.

I wouldn't count on that.

[E20]

Dont quote a man who was executed on the very topic we discuss.

Not very relevant when we know who "won" that argument.

What topic are we discussing? LMAO I just put in my two cents.

[E20]

I wouldn't count on that.

I guess it's changed, but during the Vietnam war if you were going to college they couldn't draft you to fight, but do some cilvilan work or was I mistaken?

BTW, if a draft were to occur, I am pretty sure, if not 100% I will not fight in that war.

[clambake]

I guess it's changed, but during the Vietnam war if you were going to college they couldn't draft you to fight, but do some cilvilan work or was I mistaken?

BTW, if a draft were to occur, I am pretty sure, if not 100% I will not fight in that war.

canada? they'll be waiting

[E20]

canada? they'll be waiting

Not even that.

[clambake]

Not even that.

crenshaw?

[DarkReign]

I guess it's changed, but during the Vietnam war if you were going to college they couldn't draft you to fight, but do some cilvilan work or was I mistaken?

College expemption was true, if you attended until you were 26.

In order to gain an exemption or deferment many men obtained student deferments by attending college, though they would have to remain in college until their 26th birthday to be certain of avoiding the draft. Some got married, which remained an exemption throughout the war.

Actually read the entire article, its good.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposit...he_Vietnam_War

[E20]

crenshaw?

-Medical Reasons
-Religous Reasons


Can anybody clarify on the College excuse? I mean I'm 100% postive that in my AP US History class in HS I read that people who were going to college or attending college/grad school were not drafted, people with good professions were not drafted, the people that were drafted were bums and crazy people or who had no life.

EDIT:
Nevermind about the college question, DarkReign gots the link above my post.

[ChumpDumper]

Well, that's disappointing, E20. There are wars worth fighting. I would just want to be sure that I wasn't risking my life for an incompetent leader.

[E20]

Well, that's disappointing, E20. There are wars worth fighting. I would just want to be sure that I wasn't risking my life for an incompetent leader.

I wouldn't wanna fight in a war that I didn't fully trust in the cause or believe in it, because then I would just be putting my life on the line in vain, and IMO most wars that the US are headed for fit that above criteria for me.

[Wild Cobra]

Let's just say you're throwing around words you aren't even serious about and possibly don't even understand. "Invested in us losing"? What does that mean?

The "invested with us losing" is a real scenario. The democrats in congress have taken the 'remove the troops', 'we're losing', etc. to such a degree that if we win, it is a serious political defeat for them!

After refusing to admit them. How manly. You proved you simply didn't know what you were talking about. It's easy to see that trend has continued.

What trend?

How can you be so daft? Let's review:

Post #32, 8/22, 17:27; I made a serious mistake.

Post #37, 8/22, 17:30; You quote mine implying I will edit it.

Post #45, 8/22, 17:44; I said I stand by my words. Thinking you were being silly, I went on to other things.

After posting that, still confused in what was going on, I reread the others. While I was composing post #45, you edited post #39. It's new time is 17:43. I never saw the edits till after I posted mine saying I'll stand by my words.

Post #39, 8/22, 1743 edited version prompted
Post # 50, 8/22, 17:57; Acknowledged my mistake after researching my mistake.

If you consider what happened in that short of a time span to be refusal, then you are really a lost cause, or really stupid.

Have any reasonable criticisms about my character?

[ChumpDumper]

I wouldn't wanna fight in a war that I didn't fully trust in the cause or believe in it, because then I would just be putting my life on the line in vain.

I agree fully with that.

[clambake]

just do what and W did.

If you were in college, and failing, pack your bags.

[xrayzebra]

Well, that's disappointing, E20. There are wars worth fighting. I would just want to be sure that I wasn't risking my life for an incompetent leader.

Chump you are not sure of much. And that is a fact.

One of these days you will have to make a decision and
stick with it. You are going to find out you are not the
final decision maker on many things. And that also is
a fact.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I was discussing this ridiculous notion concerning the new neocon definition of patriotism recently with one of my co-workers. He was a die hard Bush supporter in 2000.. an Aggie proud of another Texan winning the Presidency...today? He is a Democrat because of Bush.. I brought up to him this notion of patriotism and fighting for our country. We both are both in our late 30's.. I told him that if we were invaded by a foreign foe that I would kiss my son goodbye and head to the front lines in South Texas knowing full well that it would probably be the last time I would ever see my child. He agreed that he woud lay his life down to protect our country... NEITHER of us would consider fighting in Iraq because we know it does nothing for our freedom here at home..The moral of the story for the Ray's of the world is very simple. Most Liberals would lay their lives down for this country but not in an unecessary war.. and certainly not for a President , or political party, that does not value the lives of those who fight ... dems may be wrong on this Ira thing but most want the troops home in one piece..

[xrayzebra]

Neocons are never wrong.

Get that through your thick skull buddy!

Much like the Liberals who know they are never wrong,
right?

Besides if a Liberal is wrong, it was the right thing to do
and it makes you feel better.......

[ChumpDumper]

The "invested with us losing" is a real scenario. The democrats in congress have taken the 'remove the troops', 'we're losing', etc. to such a degree that if we win, it is a serious political defeat for them!

You mean, the ones who voted for the war and would be in the presidents office while troops were still in Iraq?

What trend?

How can you be so daft? Let's review:

Post #32, 8/22, 17:27; I made a serious mistake.

Post #37, 8/22, 17:30; You quote mine implying I will edit it.

Post #45, 8/22, 17:44; I said I stand by my words. Thinking you were being silly, I went on to other things.

After posting that, still confused in what was going on, I reread the others. While I was composing post #45, you edited post #39. It's new time is 17:43. I never saw the edits till after I posted mine saying I'll stand by my words.

Post #39, 8/22, 1743 edited version prompted
Post # 50, 8/22, 17:57; Acknowledged my mistake after researching my mistake.

Maybe you should check your facts before posting as anally as you just do ented your error.

I

f you consider what happened in that short of a time span to be refusal, then you are really a lost cause, or really stupid.

Have any reasonable criticisms about my character?

Of course I do. You are biased, closed minded, and not as smart as you like to pretend to be.

And a neocon.

Even though you don't seem to know what it means.

[ChumpDumper]

Chump you are not sure of much. And that is a fact.

One of these days you will have to make a decision and
stick with it.

Already done.

You are going to find out you are not the
final decision maker on many things. And that also is
a fact.

No .

[medstudent]

-Medical Reasons
-Religous Reasons


Can anybody clarify on the College excuse? I mean I'm 100% postive that in my AP US History class in HS I read that people who were going to college or attending college/grad school were not drafted, people with good professions were not drafted, the people that were drafted were bums and crazy people or who had no life.

what is there to clarify? You used to be able to get an educational deferrment. Now you cannot. They let you finish your semester and then you go where ever they tell you to do whatever they want. It doesn't matter your profession or income or whatever.

They changed the policy because the poor were fighting America's wars and that is unfair.

Maybe now you'll be a little more interested and critical of a government that has the power to own you. Because if we get into another war and start a draft, it will be because of head's war completely that depleted the volunteer military.

[clambake]

Have any reasonable criticisms about my character?

yah, you don't know what a true american is

hitler youth used to talk about what being a true german was

you keep fine company