VY and Leinart fans.......

[peewee's lovechild]

LOL @ using rushing stats to justify a quarterback. Granted Vince is way better than Dorsey, but the quarterback is paid to throw the football.

Steve Young didn't get that memo.

[Findog]

No doubt that VY is a clutch player, but to say that he's more clutch than Manning is absolutely absurd. If it's in the fourth quarter with two minutes to go, there's no way you could tell me with a straight face that you'd rather have Vince under center than Peyton.

Who knows if Vince will ever win a superbowl? He's certainly off to a good start landing in Tennessee under Jeff Fisher.

Considering Peyton is in his prime, the Colts have WAY more talent on both sides of the ball and Vince is a second-year player, the comparison isn't really apt. Compared to where Peyton was in HIS second year in the League, after he couldn't beat Florida in four tries in college, I'd rather have Vince. Only time will tell how good he really is.

I personally don't understand the need to knock Player A or B in order to pump up Player C. I think Leinart will be a good QB in the pros too, but he might have to leave Arizona in order to become one.

[monosylab1k]

LOL @ using rushing stats to justify a quarterback. Granted Vince is way better than Dorsey, but the quarterback is paid to throw the football.

The quarterback is paid to lead the team down the field and get the ball in the end zone more than the other team. It doesn't matter how the he does it.

[monosylab1k]

Granted, in the NFL a quarterback MUST have the ability to stand in the pocket and deliver accurate passes. But to say that's all a QB is supposed to do is just ing stupid.

Tommie Frazier is one of the greatest QB's in college football history. Couldn't throw a football for .

[Findog]

Granted, in the NFL a quarterback MUST have the ability to stand in the pocket and deliver accurate passes. But to say that's all a QB is supposed to do is just ing stupid.

Tommie Frazier is one of the greatest QB's in college football history. Couldn't throw a football for .

speaking of the power of red, eric crouch agrees with you.

[J.T.]

I don't care that he has a ring now... other than ONE half of football (in the NE game), he has done nothing to show me that he is truly a clutch QB, or a good pressure playoff performer.

Everybody knows that the AFC le game is the real super bowl. Well, everybody but you.

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Everybody knows that the AFC le game is the real super bowl. Well, everybody but you.

Everybody said the same thing about the NFC in Superbowl III.

Look how that one turned out...

[OldDirtMcGirt]

Steve Young didn't get that memo.

How did Steve Young do throwing the football?

Running quarterbacks who can't throw don't succeed and aren't good NFL quarterbacks. If you can't throw you aint worth .

[OldDirtMcGirt]

He's more clutch than Manning was after one year in the NFL. , he's more clutch than Manning was after his first EIGHT years in the NFL.

He could end up being more clutch than Manning, but after one year in the NFL and no playoff appearances, it's impossible to make that claim. Once again, I'm way more afraid if Manning is lead the opposing team on a game ending drive than Vince. Could that change? Sure... but who really knows?

[monosylab1k]

How did Steve Young do throwing the football?

Steve Young never had a great arm (his passing numbers were not that good his first few years), but he learned how to exploit defenses and alot of that had to do with the fact that teams had to take into account his running ability.

Throwing to Jerry Rice didn't hurt him either.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Everybody said the same thing about the NFC in Superbowl III.

Look how that one turned out...

Wow, now that's reaching wayyyyyyyyy back.

You could have just went to the Rams/Pats SB in 2001. Nobody outside of NE thought the Pats could even hang, let alone win the game, against the Rams.

[Dirk Nowitzki]

When Vince Young finally has a cast around him, I see him leading them places. I can see VY winning superbowls. The son of a is that ing good. College,Pros it doesnt matter. He has that poise in the clutch. Leinart is going to be a solid qb as well. As far as Peyton Manning goes, VY isnt at that level yet. It is unfair to go into those debates. When VY finally has a good team around him, lets see how things go then we will talk. Manning has proven himself as a winner. Choker in the past or not, he got over that hump last year and lead his team to the superbowl. You cant call him a choker anymore because he led his team to the promised land. Chokers dont do that.

[Findog]

He could end up being more clutch than Manning, but after one year in the NFL and no playoff appearances, it's impossible to make that claim. Once again, I'm way more afraid if Manning is lead the opposing team on a game ending drive than Vince. Could that change? Sure... but who really knows?

This is asinine. It's like comparing Tim Duncan with Dwight Howard. VY and PM are at different stages of their careers. But Vince is way ahead of where Peyton was after 15 starts and college.

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Wow, now that's reaching wayyyyyyyyy back.

You could have just went to the Rams/Pats SB in 2001. Nobody outside of NE thought the Pats could even hang, let alone win the game, against the Rams.

Yea, I thought about that one too. But SB III was possibly the most influential SB ever played.

Not to mention it had the Colts losing...

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This is asinine. It's like comparing Tim Duncan with Dwight Howard. VY and PM are at different stages of their careers. But Vince is way ahead of where Peyton was after 15 starts and college.

Except that Tim Duncan isn't a choker, never has been, and never will be one.

[Findog]

Except that Tim Duncan isn't a choker, never has been, and never will be one.

Well, yeah, but I meant that it's not fair or useful to compare a superstar in the prime of his career to a young superstar in the making and fault the younger guy for not having accomplished as much.

[OldDirtMcGirt]

This is asinine. It's like comparing Tim Duncan with Dwight Howard. VY and PM are at different stages of their careers. But Vince is way ahead of where Peyton was after 15 starts and college.

But the statement was that right now VY is more "clutch" than Peyton. Until Vince proves otherwise you simply have to give the nod to the guy with all of those fourth quarter comebacks and the superbowl ring. Not saying that Vince will never get there, but as of right now Manning is the more clutch player.

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Well, yeah, but I meant that it's not fair or useful to compare a superstar in the prime of his career to a young superstar in the making and fault the younger guy for not having accomplished as much.

Lol, yea i know, I just felt like taking a shot at manning, lol.

[johnsmith]

Lol, yea i know, I just felt like taking a shot at manning, lol.

You sure are LOLing a lot.

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You sure are LOLing a lot.

and you sure aren't shutting the up a lot when you make yourself look stupid.

[johnsmith]

and you sure aren't shutting the up a lot when you make yourself look stupid.

good one.

[Findog]

But the statement was that right now VY is more "clutch" than Peyton. Until Vince proves otherwise you simply have to give the nod to the guy with all of those fourth quarter comebacks and the superbowl ring. Not saying that Vince will never get there, but as of right now Manning is the more clutch player.

I never said that "right now" Peyton is more clutch than Vince Young. As I said, one guy is about 9 years older, in the prime of his career, and he's on a team that is stacked on both sides of the ball. It's useless to make a comparison of who is more clutch "right now." We can only compare 24 year old Peyton to 24 year old Vince, and 24 year old Vince wins.

[monosylab1k]

We can only compare 24 year old Peyton to 24 year old Vince, and 24 year old Vince wins.

In a landslide. That's not even a compe ion. Until last January, Peyton Manning was the Dirk Nowitzki of the NFL.

[samikeyp]

Everybody said the same thing about the NFC in Superbowl III.

Look how that one turned out...

This statement is incorrect. I can guarantee you no one said anything about the NFC to that effect about SB 3.

[peewee's lovechild]

This statement is incorrect. I can guarantee you no one said anything about the NFC to that effect about SB 3.

I can gaurantee that I wasn't around for that.