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Way to call it, Holt's Cat.
Any predictions on what will become of the empty roster spot?
Nice job, Holt's Cat.
You got your man!
I feel better about the front office and the Spurs chances this season.
We just need to get healthy now.
Way to call it, Holt's Cat.
Any predictions on what will become of the empty roster spot?
Fvck you, dude.
I gave Holt's Cat his due!
I was going by what Seattle's local paper said.
And I knew it would take more than a second rounder!
Please show me where I didn't approve of such a deal.
Just because I wanted Artest does not mean I was not in favor of Thomas as an alternative.
Kudos to Holt's for suggesting Thomas before anyone else.
Well, I think some may have postulated this exact trade before this thread. Certainly Kurt Thomas was identified as a logical Spurs trade target on this forum a month ago at least.
Anyways, solid trade. Good not great. Should the Sonics waive Barry and he returns when he's eligible it will look even better. I'm not that concerned about moving the 1st rounder. Yes, the Spurs have lost out on some opportunities in the draft when they've made moves to win now. But then, they've drafted Beno Udrih when they kept their pick. Assuming they put the appropriate protections on the pick, no worries. Given the Spurs track record with picks the likelihood is not that they would find a NBA ready player with the pick but rather some international talent who's a few years away from the NBA due to his game and/or contractual commitments abroad. So someone drafted in 2009 might be ready to contribute in 2011. And it's not like the Spurs don't have Mahinmi, Splitter, and their 1st rounder and two 2nd rounders this year. You typically have to give to get in the NBA.
The Spurs' frontcourt was untenable as it stood before this trade. You had 3 guys you could trust in the postseason. In the swingman rotation you had 4. This is a big man's league. Looking at the other likely Western Conference playoff teams it was clear this was an area of concern. If Barry doesn't come back the trade still looks good because of this.
All teams have weaknesses. The key is to have strengths that overwhelm your opponent's ability to exploit your weaknesses. Right now the Spurs are two deep at the 2 and 3. Having Barry was a luxury. It'd be nice to get that luxury back, if he's not done physically.
We can still trade Finley and Horry for Artest. LOL
How about Horry for Artest?
Even better!How about Horry for Artest?
This is purely hypothetical unless the Kings decide they want to move Artest, the Spurs decide that Horry is expendable, and that they would want to give up whatever young talent and/or picks that could possibly get the deal done. My thought is the Spurs have held Horry back and just now is he being worked back into the rotation. Obviously with Thomas coming on board Horry would be needed somewhat less and Artest, if sane, would give the Spurs more flexibility in their lineup.
I don't think Horry is done and now he's in a spot in which he won't be expected to play heavy minutes in the postseason. And hey, it's February. He'll be ready come April.
Well, I doubt the Spurs have any chance of getting Artest, but the Spurs offered the Kings Elson, Barry, and the pick for Artest and it didn't get done. I doubt they take Horry. The Spurs would have to give up more than Horry to even make the salaries match. It would take Horry, Bonner, and probably Finley.
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Last edited by Holt's Cat; 02-21-2008 at 11:00 AM. Reason: double post
Horry and Bonner would match the salary.
Obviously the reason the trade would get done is whatever else the Spurs wanted to include. Again, this is just kicking the ball around.
Dude, could an unmentioned by-product of this trade be NOT having to pay a first rounder next year?
Question.
Well, that's probably part of it. Of course, the Spurs could always draft an international player and let him play abroad for years without him hitting the cap.
Don't get me wrong, 1st round picks do have value. But at some point you have to go with the bird in hand. If the Spurs didn't have Mahinmi, Splitter, and their #1 this year I might feel a little differently about this deal. They have prospects. Likely they will be able to find some swingman this summer with their MLE (Wells comes to mind). Again, they had 3 bigs they could count on and 4 swingmen they could count on in the postseason. The need was clear.
Exactly.
I argued all along that the Spurs have a core in place and enough youth ready to join the rotation next year.
When would that first rounder actually make an impact with the Spurs, if ever?
Spurs are built to win now.
P.S.
What are you stirring with Artest?
Sacramento remembers what Horry can do...
Tempt me.
his defense will absolutely benefit us a lot^^
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