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    I want everyone to read this article at Draft Express about eight types of 'can't miss' draftees who fail to make it in the NBA.

    You'll see a lot of the names we've kicking around here as possible draftees who are compared to past 'busts'. Pretty funny and pretty disturbing as well.

    http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=2116

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    Anyone notice that nbadraft.net has Ramon Sessions going 29th overall in this years draft and on draftexpress.com they have him going in the 2nd round of NEXT years draft???

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    You think we will spend the MLE money?

    06/07 committed salary : 68,828,356
    07/08 committed salary : 66,063,221
    08/09 committed salary : 47,024,595 (Duncan (player option), Parker, Manu, Udrih (team option), Butler (team option))

    We will be sitting on the edge of lux tax space next year. - this is a given. The year after, we will be below the salary cap, based on currently signed players.

    06/07 Salary cap :53,135,000 Luxury tax: 65,420,000
    07/08 estimated Salary cap :55,000,000 estimated Luxury tax: 68,000,000
    08/09 estimated Salary cap :58,000,000 estimated Luxury tax: 71,000,000

    A maximum contract in 08/09 is roughly $12,500,000. The team can offer a contract above the MLE if they have the space below the salary cap (or in sign and trade scenarios)... not the lux tax level. If the Spurs want to make a big FA play before 08/09, they can't have any more salary commitments in 08/09. Including this years 1st round pick, they will be limited to a roughly $10,000,000 offer. Do you think they are going to get anybody worthwhile eg. Nocioni to commit to a ONE year deal???

    You can either try and reload this offseason, which isn't particularly attractive, given our salary cap limitations, or go for summer 2008. if you go summer 2k8, Singleton is a poor man's Nocioni - particularly look at his rebound rates...

    Then in 2k8 summer
    Duncan, Manu, Parker, Butler (assuming he pans out), 2007 1st round pick (McRoberts), 2007 #33 on a multi-year contract with team options (koponen) -
    total ~ 47,000,000 note that 2007 1st rounder and #33 will roughly total Udrih's cap commitment - 1st round pay scales jump sharply in the 3ed and 4th years)

    $11,000,000 FA offer
    total ~ 58,000,000

    The 2008 NBA Free Agent Class (from hoopsworld, incomplete, players we might make a play for)
    Player Option Year
    Al Jefferson team '08
    Emeka Okafor team '08
    Nenad Krstic team '08
    Andre Iguodala team '08
    Gilbert Arenas player '08
    Andris Biedrins team '08
    Ben Gordon team '08
    Richard Hamilton player '08
    Jason Kidd player '08
    Robert Swift team '08
    Jermaine O'Neal player '08
    Ron Artest player '08
    Josh Childress team '08
    Josh Smith team '08
    Corey Maggette player '08
    Shawn Marion player '08
    Kevin Martin team '08
    Dwight Howard team '08
    Elton Brand player '08
    Luol Deng team '08
    Kevin Garnett team '08


    6 players under contract, including 4 core guys - need to sign a minimum of 6 more players (likely 9), ~11,000,000 in pre-luxury tax space left...

    Bird Rights - Oberto, Finley, Bowen, Barry, Horry
    Early Bird Rights - Vaughn, Elson, White (he hasn't been with us long enough to have full bird rights), Singleton

    Post Luxury tax space (ie. exceptions):

    MLE
    Bi Annual Exception (LLE)
    2008 1st round pick (sign him after signing free agents), Rookie exception
    Mahnimi (2005 1st round pick, rookie exception).

    Team looks like this :
    Bigs : Duncan, McRoberts, Mahnimi, Butler, Elson or Oberto (for the minimum)
    Wings: Manu, White (early bird rights), Finley (resigned, vet minimum?),
    PG's: Parker, Koponen, Vaugh (resigned, vet minimum?)

    Big FA signing at Big or Wing
    2008 1st round pick
    +2 more players (Javtokas?, Singleton?, whomever...)

    In summary, my way keeps us competing for the 07/08 championship, and sets up the future. Chucking a bunch of MLE money in there will restrict any signings in 2008 to MLE level contracts roughly... Which won't bring in the big fish!

    All of your FA's in 08 are pipe dreams, with the exception of Robert Swift & I dont even know why he is listed in that group. Possibly Brand could opt out, but that too is a long shot. If we can pick up Nocioni for the MLE or better yet S&T Barry & Beno along with Scola for him this summer, it is a no brainer. Your plan sounds like what the Lakers had in mind, wanting to wait until Yao Ming & all the other big time players were SUPPOSED to be FA's, how did that work out for them?

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    All of your FA's in 08 are pipe dreams, with the exception of Robert Swift & I dont even know why he is listed in that group. Possibly Brand could opt out, but that too is a long shot. If we can pick up Nocioni for the MLE or better yet S&T Barry & Beno along with Scola for him this summer, it is a no brainer. Your plan sounds like what the Lakers had in mind, wanting to wait until Yao Ming & all the other big time players were SUPPOSED to be FA's, how did that work out for them?
    barry + beno + scola? for nacioni seems to much to give up imo

    delfino is a fkn scrub and got 2 picks for him.....

    barru + beno + scola is worth more even if you trade them individually

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    Daequan Cook will workout with Spurs

    http://www.philly.com/inquirer/sport...s_workout.html

    Except that the 6-foot-5 Cook has workouts scheduled for Utah, Golden State, San Antonio and Miami next week. He then said the obvious - that he was staying in the draft.
    The full workout list is in the first post.

    And stop hijacking this thread with some random (and useless) fantasy offseason scenario.

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    Updated mock draft on DX has us taking Belinelli with our 33 pick and Gray with the 28 still.

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    I take Belinelli in a heartbeat with the 33. But I have absolutely no interest in Gray unless we're taking him at 58...or lower. I just don't see any need for another slow dreadnaught center.

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    What do you guys think of drafting Brad Newley with the 58?


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    I don't really care who we draft at the 58 since we really won't see what they're made of until after a year in the Euroleague.

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    I don't think Spurs will draft a big man this year (unless it's an euro who stay overseas).

    Just look at next year Spurs big men :

    Duncan : under contract.
    Elson : under contract.
    Butler : under contract.
    Horry : under contract and won't retire.
    Oberto : player option, it's not sure he will opt out and if he opts out, he will be a restricted free agent. Pop likes him.
    Bonner : restricted free agent. Pop and PJ want him back, Bonner thinks he has good chances to sign with Spurs.
    Mahinmi : Ludden has said that he will likely sign with Spurs this summer.
    Scola : Spurs have said that they will consider him as an option this summer.

    Based on infos (and not on speculations), 8 PF/C could be on Spurs roster next year
    A nba team has usualy 6 PF/C under contract and 5 on the active roster.

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    Since Presti has signed on with Seattle they've arranged to bring in Glen Davis, Kyle Visser, Kyrylo Fesenko, Dmetrius Nichols, Adam Haluska and Quinton Hosley for workout. Some of these guys would be in the Spurs' first and second and Seattle's 2nd round pick range.

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    I don't want Bonner back, and I doubt Scola becomes a Spur EVER, and I think we will sign Mahinmi. So the frontline for me will look like:
    C OBERTO/ELSON/BUTLER
    PF DUNCAN/HORRY/MAHINMI

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    With the #28 and #33 picks the Spurs have a good chance of landing a couple of eventual rotation players, especially in this draft. It would be disappointing if they didn't use both and perplexing if they didn't use the #33 on a NCAA prospect.

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    Since Presti has signed on with Seattle they've arranged to bring in Glen Davis, Kyle Visser, Kyrylo Fesenko, Dmetrius Nichols, Adam Haluska and Quinton Hosley for workout. Some of these guys would be in the Spurs' first and second and Seattle's 2nd round pick range.
    The only one I think the Spurs will consider is Visser.

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    I don't want Bonner back
    No pun intented, but what Pop/PJ want will have a bigger influence on what Spurs will do than what #1elliottfan want.

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    So are we getting the 2nd rounder from Chicago (#53, I believe) or not??

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    Nope.

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    So are we getting the 2nd rounder from Chicago (#53, I believe) or not??
    No

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    Why not? I thought it was supposed to be ours if its not in the top 51.

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    Why not? I thought it was supposed to be ours if its not in the top 51.
    Top 53 protected. We missed it by one spot.

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    Top 53 protected? On the first page it says top 51 protected, when did this change?

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    spurs need to keep stock piling talent in EUROPE

    Scola is ready to go, so is Roberthas, Center, he is a monster (SP)

    Dont waste picks like L. Barbosa just because we have no space or otehrs dont like him on the team like how we lost Gricek, I believe.

    Spurs have tons of talent in Europe and I love that.

    Re: US talent

    I see UCLA Aaron Affolo alot, even play pickup ball at UCLA John Wooden Center with him when he comes and runs.

    He is TOTAL spurs mentality. Nice, class act, friendly, coachable.

    He is alot like a young Michael Finley, not just because they both wear #4.

    He can be good but is streaky. Like a Dale Ellis.

    Affolo does take some bad shots though, even at the pickup gym w hacks like me, lol

    I think this is a solid pick but I really want the spurs to keep drafting 17 yo in Europe and leaving them to develop over there.
    Last edited by spurscenter; 06-17-2007 at 03:46 AM.

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    I see Afflalo being the next JJ Re . Great in college, sub-par in the pros. Now, to his credit, I don't see Aaron disappearing so completely as Re did last year, but I think he will not be nearly as succesful at the pro level as he was college.

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    Top 53 protected? On the first page it says top 51 protected, when did this change?
    Apparently that fact was misreported for most of the year. We all thought it was top 51 protected until right near the end of the season conflicting reports indicated otherwise.

    The Spurs are really closed about what all is exchanged in trades other than the specific players and I believe that tidbit was just skewed from the beginning.

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    my spurs mock draft:

    28: Kyrylo Fesenko
    33: Taurean Green
    58: Ali Traore

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    My mock draft:
    28: Marco Belinelli
    33: Zabian Dowdell
    58: Darryl Watkins

    Everything will come clearer in a 12 days.

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