Official Trade/Signing Ideas Thread

[TheGoldStandard]

A question i'd like to propose to ST. How would you feel if the Spurs stood pat regardless of whether teams like OKC, GSW, or Houston made any moves?

Would the Spurs front office lose some of its luster?

Yes.. especially if they don't address the SF position, that's letting 2 opportunities to fix that hole just fade away.

[Chinook]

This season, of the lot that is Chandler, Ilyasova, Williams, Thad Young, Evan Turner, Jeff Green in terms of advanced stats (+/-; adjusted, simple etc, PER-opposition PER, and even RAPM), guess who tops the list?

Marvin Williams.

Thad Young is the best player of the lot and suffers from being in a ty team, but he hasn't played SF at all, while Williams is a traditional SF who could fit the Spurs' requirement as he has played stretch PF all season. The one whom you are slobbering after, Ilyasova has been the worst and has been a negative defender all his career for all his stretch PF gifts.

Besides of all the lot, his is the best contract situation, expiring and his team will demand much lesser than others.

Huh? I don't get that logic. Utah wants cap space. He gives them that already. To help out a rival, they'll demand an asset. Why would the Spurs give up a pick for a rental? They either have to re-sign him and mess up the 2015 cap that some many are concerned with or let him go and start all over again. It doesn't make sense to burn a first for that.

Anyhow, you're bragging that Williams has a barely above-average PER this season when everyone else on the list have a much better track record over the last few years or at least bring more to the table. I'm sorry, but I don't get how Williams gets about ninth man at all.

[Chinook]

I just read the recent posts. I just threw out the possibility that OKC might go after Chandler. Are they showing interest? Also, there's isn't a snowball's chance in OKC would gve up a player like Reggie Jackson for 37 year old Andre Miller unless this post was meant to be facetious. OKC's FO would get murdered for making this trade and whether or not it helps in the short term, Reggie Jackson is going to be the better player over the long term. Small market teams just dont operate this way. He's still cost controlled for another year before he becomes a restricted free agent.

Supposedly OKC is willing to go into the tax with their TE and want a two-way wing. I don't think they'd make the trade I suggested, and I don't think they'd need to. I was just agreeing with DPG that OKC could easily outbid everyone if they really wanted to.

[Chinook]

Trade with Denver
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mgnbkgw

Nuggets get:

matt bonner
corey joseph
aaron baynes
2nd round pick

Spurs get:

Quincy Miller 6'9" SF- a true SF that can shoot and dribble. has great length and blocks shots. a solid backup for leonard.
Timofey Mosgov 7' C- big and long. much much better than baynes. rebounds very good and blocks shots.
Jordan Hamilton 6'7" SG/SF- a good athlete that can help at both spots. can shoot or drive. can eventually replace green.

PG- parker, mills, de colo
SG- green, bellineli, manu, hamilton
SF- leonard, miller, hamilton
PF- duncan, diaw, ayers
C- splitter, mosgov, ayers

and we have an open spot on the roster too. de colo draws the short end of the stick and is the non dressed player.

Wouldn't do that trade. I'd take Hamilton for De Colo, but that's about it. Mozgov makes too much, and Miller is a scrub. Hamilton is too, but he has some nice length and would be fine for Nando.

[cd021]

Trade with Denver
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mgnbkgw

Nuggets get:

matt bonner
corey joseph
aaron baynes
2nd round pick

Spurs get:



Quincy Miller 6'9" SF- a true SF that can shoot and dribble. has great length and blocks shots. a solid backup for leonard.
Timofey Mosgov 7' C- big and long. much much better than baynes. rebounds very good and blocks shots.
Jordan Hamilton 6'7" SG/SF- a good athlete that can help at both spots. can shoot or drive. can eventually replace green.

PG- parker, mills, de colo
SG- green, bellineli, manu, hamilton
SF- leonard, miller, hamilton
PF- duncan, diaw, ayers
C- splitter, mosgov, ayers

and we have an open spot on the roster too. de colo draws the short end of the stick and is the non dressed player.

Wouldn't that leave them with extremely thin on the wing? they really only have 4 legit wings Chandler and Fournier would be left.

I do like Mosgov, very good on the offensive glass. Certainly better than Ayers and Baynes IMO. Also, I would think that you could subs ute De Colo for Cojo. Cojo has $2 million guaranteed next season, while De Colo is an UFA.

[Robz4000]

Trade with Denver
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mgnbkgw

Nuggets get:

matt bonner
corey joseph
aaron baynes
2nd round pick

Spurs get:

Quincy Miller 6'9" SF- a true SF that can shoot and dribble. has great length and blocks shots. a solid backup for leonard.
Timofey Mosgov 7' C- big and long. much much better than baynes. rebounds very good and blocks shots.
Jordan Hamilton 6'7" SG/SF- a good athlete that can help at both spots. can shoot or drive. can eventually replace green.

PG- parker, mills, de colo
SG- green, bellineli, manu, hamilton
SF- leonard, miller, hamilton
PF- duncan, diaw, ayers
C- splitter, mosgov, ayers

and we have an open spot on the roster too. de colo draws the short end of the stick and is the non dressed player.

Denver would never do that trade.

[palangi]

you do know miller has more length, right? miller also has more skill. watch the videos I posted.

[RD2191]

Denver would never do that trade.

tbh, I don't know about trades but even I laughed at that one.

[palangi]

switching de colo and joseph would help them some at the wing. I do know randolph has played some 3 this year for them as well. and then next year gallinari is back as the 3 also. they also have randy foye still too. I don't think they are playing for this year anymore. and andre miller could bring a wing back for them too.

[Chinook]

you do know miller has more length, right? miller also has more skill. watch the videos I posted.

I watched them and scoffed, no offense. I like Miller's size, but I'll take a guard with a 6-11 wingspan over a forward with a 7-1 wingspan.

[TheGoldStandard]

Spurs need to reach out to Carlos Helu or family members for the future... Need a billionaire owner.

[palangi]

tbh, I don't know about trades but even I laughed at that one.

Listen I don't think the spurs front office makes a big trade. that just isn't their style. this trade here dumps some waste of ours and frees up spots for denver. but it does bring in youth, length, and athleticism to our team. something we sorely lack.

so laugh all you want. I am just throwing out an idea. but i do laugh at your shortsited views.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Huh? I don't get that logic. Utah wants cap space. He gives them that already. To help out a rival, they'll demand an asset. Why would the Spurs give up a pick for a rental? They either have to re-sign him and mess up the 2015 cap that some many are concerned with or let him go and start all over again. It doesn't make sense to burn a first for that.

Anyhow, you're bragging that Williams has a barely above-average PER this season when everyone else on the list have a much better track record over the last few years or at least bring more to the table. I'm sorry, but I don't get how Williams gets about ninth man at all.

The key for the Spurs is the here & the now. They have to win this season or the next and my bet is more on now than later. It is not as if Denver/ 76ers will let go Chandler/Young for nothing. With both players having contracts beyond 2015 and hampering the Spurs' ability to get one more good FA to complement Parker/Leonard as a bottleneck, I don't think the price of getting Williams is high and I don't think the Jazz will ask for a 1st rounder either, if Williams himself demands a trade.

As things stand, PER, advanced stats/ defense metrics, role player intangibles, age, talent etc + the most important Here & Now fit ..

Young > Williams > Chandler > Green > Ilyasova > Turner of all the lot.

Since Young is going to be a near impossible get, Williams is not a bad bet at all. I wouldnt' mind Chandler either but Williams for me wins by a cinch.

[Robz4000]

I watched them and scoffed, no offense. I like Miller's size, but I'll take a guard with a 6-11 wingspan over a forward with a 7-1 wingspan.

I actually think Miller has a lot more upside and could develop into something good. Mozgov and Hamilton are also actual NBA players. Denver wouldn't part with all three though for the Spurs' trash unless they threw in their first, which won't happen for any of those players.

[HI-FI]

A question i'd like to propose to ST. How would you feel if the Spurs stood pat regardless of whether teams like OKC, GSW, or Houston made any moves?

Would the Spurs front office lose some of its luster?

mixed feelings. I value team chemistry, loyalty a lot. But the obvious goal is to win and be your best, and if they pass on certain deals because they're too loyal to the wrong people, then I'd be pissed. It really depends though on what's available and if the player is a great fit.

As for FO losing its luster, I think if this season turns out in an embarrassing defeat, following the Finals collapse, then i think the FO takes a deserved hit.

[cd021]

I just read the recent posts. I just threw out the possibility that OKC might go after Chandler. Are they showing interest? Also, there's isn't a snowball's chance in OKC would gve up a player like Reggie Jackson for 37 year old Andre Miller unless this post was meant to be facetious. OKC's FO would get murdered for making this trade and whether or not it helps in the short term, Reggie Jackson is going to be the better player over the long term. Small market teams just dont operate this way. He's still cost controlled for another year before he becomes a restricted free agent.

Then again Ibaka, Durant, and Westbrook are going to make $50 million the season that Jackson enters RFA. But, yeah, it would be way too early to even considering moving him.

I still think Thabo and 1st would be a good start in talks to acquire Chandler.

[Spurs da champs]

Chandler is the better player than Marvin, tho the system negates his skills to being just a 3 point shooter, that coupled with his injury history says he would be ill suited for a team that is already dealing with many injuries. Marvin's length, defensive versatility (being able to guard 3's & 4's), & 3 point shooting (40% this year vs 36% for Chandler & 32% for Young) make him the better fit for the system.

[TheGoldStandard]

The Spurs signing Shannon Brown for the rest of the season is probably all we will get. At seasons end RC will declare the off-season a success because we were able to resign Diaw, Bonner & Mills.. Plus stash 2 picks for 5 years down the road.

[Robz4000]

The FO won't take any blame, at least in the media, until Duncan and Pop retire or someone (like one of the Big 3) speaks out about it. They're too respected even though a lot of the moves and decisions they've made in the past 4/5 years have been questionable (outside the Hill/Leonard trade).

[Chinook]

The key for the Spurs is the here & the now. They have to win this season or the next and my bet is more on now than later. It is not as if Denver/ 76ers will let go Chandler/Young for nothing. With both players having contracts beyond 2015 and hampering the Spurs' ability to get one more good FA to complement Parker/Leonard as a bottleneck, I don't think the price of getting Williams is high and I don't think the Jazz will ask for a 1st rounder either, if Williams himself demands a trade.

As things stand, PER, advanced stats/ defense metrics, role player intangibles, age, talent etc + the most important Here & Now fit ..

Young > Williams > Chandler > Green > Ilyasova > Turner of all the lot.

Since Young is going to be a near impossible get, Williams is not a bad bet at all. I wouldnt' mind Chandler either but Williams for me wins by a cinch.

And I disagree. That's fine. But I'd rather the team deals with a barely guaranteed third year like Chandler has over an expiring for a low-ceiling player like Williams. I think Chandler and Ilyasova hold a bunch of potential value during the 2015 draft and off-season even if they aren't in the post-Big Three plans.

And they both shore up major talent deficiencies. Chandler can play a lot of minutes as a utility player, and Ilyasova would be the youngest big on the team with both and inside and outside game. Having a big who can get his own shot next to Duncan would be huge.

[TheGoldStandard]

The FO won't take any blame, at least in the media, until Duncan and Pop retire or someone (like one of the Big 3) speaks out about it. They're too respected even though a lot of the moves and decisions they've made in the past 4/5 years have been questionable (outside the Hill/Leonard trade).

This is true, they always get the "they draft smart" the majority of them drafting guys we never see here ever. or they get the "The system means they can plug any scrub in" but the case being that our Big 3 have to really amp up there game to make up for the lack of all around skill from those role players we plug in.

[Spursfanfromafar]

And I disagree. That's fine. But I'd rather the team deals with a barely guaranteed third year like Chandler has over an expiring for a low-ceiling player like Williams. I think Chandler and Ilyasova hold a bunch of potential value during the 2015 draft and off-season even if they aren't in the post-Big Three plans. And they both shore up major talent deficiencies. Chandler can a lot of minutes as a utility player, and Ilyasova would be the youngest big on the team with both and inside and outside game. Having a big who can get his own shot next to Duncan would be huge.

Lets agree to disagree on ILyasova, who is really a so-so defender one-on-one and is more useful for offense, which Diaw already gives us and I am willing to bet that Diaw returns back next season with a similar contract and much lower than Ilyasova's. I still hold that there is a decent chance that the Spurs get Love after next year and that chance is gone if Ilyasova is signed.

Chandler, I like.. But he is injury prone for far too long now and has a fragile history. I like Williams better than him for that purpose. Dont' see Chandler contributing to the Spurs in a reliable way this year as much as Williams.

[TheGoldStandard]

Lets agree to disagree on ILyasova, who is really a so-so defender one-on-one and is more useful for offense, which Diaw already gives us and I am willing to bet that Diaw returns back next season with a similar contract and much lower than Ilyasova's. I still hold that there is a decent chance that the Spurs get Love after next year and that chance is gone if Ilyasova is signed.

Chandler, I like.. But he is injury prone for far too long now and has a fragile history. I like Williams better than him for that purpose. Dont' see Chandler contributing to the Spurs in a reliable way this year as much as Williams.

What scenario do you see Love coming here?

[Spursfanfromafar]

What scenario do you see Love coming here?

A talented player who has never reached the post-season and has always played for a losing team, seeking to play for a winner which has a great coach, a terrific FO and a set of players that complement his talents.

Won't say the Spurs are a slam dunk among the suitors, but they would be pretty darn close to a team that can woo Love, provided Parker, Leonard, Splitter are the core of the team (and perhaps even Duncan stays on for a season or more as a veteran mentor) and is coached by Pop.

With cap space due to Manu's & TD's expirings and a reasonable contract for Kawhi, the Spurs can find space for a near max contract for Love and if they can make the right pitch, what prevents Love from atleast thinking "yes"?

[Chinook]

Lets agree to disagree on ILyasova, who is really a so-so defender one-on-one and is more useful for offense, which Diaw already gives us and I am willing to bet that Diaw returns back next season with a similar contract and much lower than Ilyasova's. I still hold that there is a decent chance that the Spurs get Love after next year and that chance is gone if Ilyasova is signed.

Chandler, I like.. But he is injury prone for far too long now and has a fragile history. I like Williams better than him for that purpose. Dont' see Chandler contributing to the Spurs in a reliable way this year as much as Williams.

We've already talked about our views on the 2015 FA period, so there's that. I think the team will have to make smart trades to acquire taleny without tanking. Having good chips like Chandler's mostly non-guaranteed deal or having a youngish big on a reasonable deal (and whose numbers could/should skyrocket in the Spurs' system) would better help the team. Trading for Love on draft night seems much more likely than signing him outright.

Speaking of 2015 FA, I wouldn't be shocked to see Bosh being a target if he doesn't opt out this summer (which I don't think he will). Can't see the Heatles staying together past next season. He, LA and Love make a strong class.

So to Chandler. His injuries issues lower his value, but I'm not too concerned with them if he comes off the bench. I think he's more valyable in that role than Williams would be because he can competently play three positions as opposed to two. He and Leonard can share the court even while the team plays big.