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    I've seen Puritt play in a half-dozen or so games over the past couple years, and he does not seem to me to be a Spurs-type player at all. He's got lots of talent, but--like his higher rated pal from USC (Young)--his work ethic and tendency to showboat means that he doesn't get the most out of it. He had a difficult time keeping eligible while at USC, and--despite his talent--was probably only the fourth or fifth best point guard in the Pac10 last year. Maybe he's changed, or will change, but, given the choice, I'd go with the Finn.

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    I just hope the Spurs don't become so intrigued with one of these bigs that they use up one of their first two picks to get him. They already have lots of options for the front court, especially if they bring over Ian and/or Scola. Plus, they need youth in the back court and wings, not the 4 and 5.
    While I tend to agree that the Spurs have bigger needs, I'll say this...

    1. Most GMs will tell you that you can never have too many bigs.

    2. None of the current F/C fodder with the Spurs or overseas are guaranteed to be "that guy" next to Tim Duncan in the next few years, so it doesn't hurt to have options.

    3. It's not even a guarantee that any of these guys pans out because of their youth, being picked mostly on projectable skills. Mahinmi could be Amare Stoudamire, or he could be in the league for 3 seasons as a d-leaguer and play in Europe for the rest of his life.


    Again, while I agree with you in principle because the Spurs already have a bunch of prospects at the 4/5, I can see why the Spurs would grab a guy like Fesenko or Stanko with the 33rd pick...especially if they address their backcourt with the first pick.

    Or it could be Koponen/Belinelli/Fernandez at #28 and a guy like Dudley or Afflalo at #33. My guess though, is that at least one of the two picks is international with the intention of staying overseas for a year.

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    any chance at that Thaddeus Young falls to the Spurs?
    After his workouts...not likely. He didn't play in a great system at GTech and didn't get to display his outside shooting. He's still a project for sure, and a tweener as well...but he showed great athleticism and shooting touch in the workouts. He has enough upside that I doubt he gets past 20...

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    I've seen Puritt play in a half-dozen or so games over the past couple years, and he does not seem to me to be a Spurs-type player at all. He's got lots of talent, but--like his higher rated pal from USC (Young)--his work ethic and tendency to showboat means that he doesn't get the most out of it. He had a difficult time keeping eligible while at USC, and--despite his talent--was probably only the fourth or fifth best point guard in the Pac10 last year. Maybe he's changed, or will change, but, given the choice, I'd go with the Finn.
    So you're willing to take a guy that you've never seen over a guy that you have seen, but hasn't impressed you?

    I don't put a whole lot of stock in comparisons, but Koponen's DX comparison (Beno Udrih) is credible to me for one reason. No, it's not that he's international. No, it's not that he's big/tall. It's that he came out of relative obscurity, played well in pre-draft camps, and suddenly we feel like we know him. Beno followed that same pattern and has not exactly set the world on fire with his play.

    On the other side you have this kid who hasn't dominated his conference or been the best guy on his team, so you look at him negatively...because you've had time to examine his limitations.

    It's unfair to say that Gabe Pruitt will be Devin Harris (NBAdraft.net comparison) or Koponen will be Beno, but I'd personally like to see the Spurs draft the guy we all (including Spurs FO) know a little more about...

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    Why wouldn't the Spurs know about Koponen?

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    Udrih had issues before the pre-draft camp: at ude issues, not fitting in with teams, bad conditioning, being injury prone. The pre-draft camp simply showed that he had NBA caliber talent (which was true).

    Koponen doesn't have the backstory, but he's done well in the camp, if not as well as Udrih did. Plus, Koponen plays for a team called the Honka Playboys. How great is that?

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    Why wouldn't the Spurs know about Koponen?
    Because no one "knew about him". That is to say that no one had him as a legitimate first-round pick with first-round talent prior to the pre-draft camps....and I doubt the Spurs were different.

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    So you're willing to take a guy that you've never seen over a guy that you have seen, but hasn't impressed you?

    I don't put a whole lot of stock in comparisons, but Koponen's DX comparison (Beno Udrih) is credible to me for one reason. No, it's not that he's international. No, it's not that he's big/tall. It's that he came out of relative obscurity, played well in pre-draft camps, and suddenly we feel like we know him. Beno followed that same pattern and has not exactly set the world on fire with his play.

    On the other side you have this kid who hasn't dominated his conference or been the best guy on his team, so you look at him negatively...because you've had time to examine his limitations.

    It's unfair to say that Gabe Pruitt will be Devin Harris (NBAdraft.net comparison) or Koponen will be Beno, but I'd personally like to see the Spurs draft the guy we all (including Spurs FO) know a little more about...
    No, I haven't seen Koponen, but--based on the evaluations that I have seen--he has several things going for him that are lacking in Pruitt: 1) he's a true point guard (P. is not, or not one yet); 2) he's evidently smart and a quick learner with a high basketball IQ; 3) he works hard; 4) he's tough. My point about Pruitt is that he's sold his talents short--or, to put it another way, that he's been an underachiever. He's had his moments, but there should have been a lot more of them, and I personally don't think that bodes well for the future. Maybe P's at ude/work ethic will change, and--if so--then he would be a very good pick. But I wouldn't bet on it.

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    Udrih had issues before the pre-draft camp: at ude issues, not fitting in with teams, bad conditioning, being injury prone. The pre-draft camp simply showed that he had NBA caliber talent (which was true).

    Koponen doesn't have the backstory, but he's done well in the camp, if not as well as Udrih did. Plus, Koponen plays for a team called the Honka Playboys. How great is that?
    Again, I don't want to suggest that Koponen is an Udrih-clone. I'm simply suggesting that it would be my preference for the Spurs to draft more of a known quan y over a player who has come out of relative obscurity to being a first-round type in less than a month if given the choice between the two....but that's just my preference.

    But, as I've said many times before, I think there are a ton of great players that the Spurs could take with the 28th and 33rd pick that I would be more than happy with...if not exstatic. It should be fun to watch it unfold...

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    Because no one "knew about him". That is to say that no one had him as a legitimate first-round pick with first-round talent prior to the pre-draft camps....and I doubt the Spurs were different.
    Eh, they had a videotape and two workouts for Parker. They'll probably have something similar for Kopponen by next week.

    With this draft, I'll be happy if we just refrain from trading away our picks.

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    Because no one "knew about him". That is to say that no one had him as a legitimate first-round pick with first-round talent prior to the pre-draft camps....and I doubt the Spurs were different.
    Nobody knew about Mahinmi either.

    The fact is that we all know about Pruitt because hes a kid that played at USC. Thats a whole lot more visual than the Honka Playboys ( ). Honestly, I don't know about you, but I spend a good amount of time watching college basketball when its on (and its on a lot). Yet I've never seen any Finnish team just happen to be on ESPN. But just because the vast majority of us casual fans don't know them doesn't mean that the group of professional scouts from the Spurs camp aren't old friends with the guy.

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    Of specific note is that Afflalo came in at 6'6 225lb with a 6'9 wingspan. One conflicting note is that it didn't have him working out for the Spurs...I will investigate further.
    Wow, I like Afflalo even more than I did beforehand. Only thing better would be to hear that Alando Tucker is actually 6'6 and has a 7 ft. wingspan.

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    Kopponen hasn't been discovered during the nike hoop summit, Jerry West has gone to finland last january to scout him.

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    Kopponen hasn't been discovered during the nike hoop summit, Jerry West has gone to finland last january to scout him.
    Oooo, if West likes him, we might want to avoid him.

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    Adding more fuel to the fire... True Hoop has a post devoted to Zabian Dowdell as he's heading back to San Antonio for another workout and how much he'd like to play there.

    http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/...n-Dowdell.html

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    Adding more fuel to the fire... True Hoop has a post devoted to Zabian Dowdell as he's heading back to San Antonio for another workout and how much he'd like to play there.

    http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/...n-Dowdell.html
    After reading this

    "he has distinguished himself in NBA circles for his character."

    and this

    "he has amazing reach for a guy his size, his basketball IQ is very high, he works extremely hard, he's a dream to coach"

    I can see why the Spurs would have him on their short list.

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    I take away these things from the interview:

    1) Gabe Pruitt does not have a promise.

    2) The Spurs are definitely looking at a back-up point guard.

    3) They are in the process of ranking the point guards.

    4) It is not clear whether they intend to take the PG at #28 or #33.

    5) A domestic point is NOT out of the question.

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    Also seems like they want a combo guard as their back-up PG, instead of, say, a Taurean Green that can only play PG.

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    ^Which is the best way to go imo.

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    Any chance that the Spurs draft Carl Landry (Purdue, PF/SF)? He may still be around late in the 2nd round. From what I know of him, he should fit well into the Spurs system. He did a stellar job on defense in the NCAA Tournament against Florida. Landry is actually TALLER than listed; his height was never updated after junior college. He may be as tall as 6'9." He will probably still play SF in the NBA, though.

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    I take away these things from the interview:

    1) Gabe Pruitt does not have a promise.

    2) The Spurs are definitely looking at a back-up point guard.

    3) They are in the process of ranking the point guards.

    4) It is not clear whether they intend to take the PG at #28 or #33.

    5) A domestic point is NOT out of the question.
    Could also mean that Vaughn maybe heading back to 3rd stringer status.

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    Could also mean that Vaughn maybe heading back to 3rd stringer status.
    That would be the goal.

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    I didn't realize that Aaron Afflalo was so tall and long. I'm going to have to reconsider this now. But he might be a good pickup afterall. The knock on him was always that he "was probably shorter than listed" but at 6'6 with a 6'9 wingspan I'd say thats rather prototypical for the position.

    I found a good article on him:



    After finishing my Raja Bell post yesterday, I started to think about what player in college reminded me most of Raja Bell. After initially struggling to find someone, it eventually became clear that Aaron Afflalo can be Raja Bell in the NBA. He's an undersized two guard who's made his name on defense and outside shooting. NBA scouts knock him for his lack of length and lack of athletic ability, believing that a long athletic defender can shut him down offensively. These days, scouts are using Afflalo's performance against the length of Corey Brewer as proof that he'll have trouble against those types of players in the NBA. I can't say that I disagree with them much on that front. But why is it that scouts are always looking for superstar player in the draft? And why is it they are always willing to waste a first-round pick on a seven footer with perceived potential? Sometimes, for a good team, adding a good role player that works hard, has a positive at ude, and is a proven winner is something that can be more valuable than a player that has all of the potential in the world. Aaron carries himself in a manner that I wished all star college athletes would (I even told his dad such when I met him at the NCAA tournament last year).


    Afflalo hasn't announced he's coming out, but at this point, I can't see any reason for him to stay in college. Unless he grows two inches scouts are going to continue to say the same thing about him. Next years draft class has the potential to be just as deep as this one, so I don't think he'd go any higher next year than he would this summer.

    I think the best thing Afflalo can do is hire an agent that is committed to marketing to him to teams the right way. He needs someone that is going to be honest with teams about his weaknesses but prop up his strengths. If Afflalo is able to market himself as a Raja Bell type, rather than a college star whose height and athleticism doesn't translate to the NBA, I think he'll have a chance of ending up in a better situation than he's currently projected.

    A team like Phoenix, that is always open to role players that can defend and shoot the three would be foolish to pass on Afflalo. When Raja Bell goes to the bench, they could bring the young Afflalo in to spell him. As well, they will eventually need someone to replace Bell one day. Afflalo seems like the perfect candidate to me. If the Suns aren't open to it, there are a couple of other teams (see the Grizzlies, Nuggets, and Hornets) that are trying to emulate the Suns style. Aaron would be a good fit in any of those places.

    Anyhow, good luck to Aaron. We need more good guys like him in the NBA.
    With his combination of character, 3 point shooting, defensive mindset as well as a highly polished mid-range game, I think he would have an excellent role on the team.
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    take away these things from the interview:

    1) Gabe Pruitt does not have a promise.

    2) The Spurs are definitely looking at a back-up point guard.

    3) They are in the process of ranking the point guards.

    4) It is not clear whether they intend to take the PG at #28 or #33.

    5) A domestic point is NOT out of the question.
    Agreed. Though with almond, belinelli and Rudy all moving up, it may be an option to pick up one of those guys, especially as Charlotte and Philly are apparently shopping their picks(22&21), where those guys would be likely to fall. Also if Acie Law fall, then I could see the Spurs moving up to there (by giving up say a 2008 1st and either 33 or 28) to get him, filling the backup point role(who happens to be a big point who can cover smaller SG's like Gordon). Both of these options are intrigueing, but only 1 will happen, as both is giving up a lot. I think we probably stay put though and draft a wingman and a point.

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    With his combination of character, 3 point shooting, defensive mindset as well as a highly polished mid-range game, I think he would have an excellent role on the team.
    i would love afflalo on the spurs. afflalo or bellelini along w/ a backup point guard would be a great draft for the spurs.

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    I'd be happy with Lil' Z at 28. It might be a tad bit of a reach but he fits what the Spurs need. At 33, it'd be an even better pick.

    Right now, the vibe I'm getting is the Spurs have promised the first round pick to some player. But I can't figure out who. To fit the mold of a promise, the player has to have shut down their workouts. That eliminates Kopo, Priutt, Dudley and a bunch of other players who are still making the rounds.

    Does anyone know if Fesenko or Stanko have stopped working out? How about Belinelli or Fernandez?

    From the beginning, I thought what the Spurs would do is pick a foreign draft 'n stash at 28, a domestic point guard at 33 and another draft 'n stash at 58.

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