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What can they do lol - I guess a Garland trade and/or Allen? Are they a sneaky candidate for Lauri in that case?
I am concerned that spurs pick up Derozan for whatever is left in space. Although he'll bring more talent and playmaking, that's a lot of poor shooters. Unless the Spurs can trade Wesley and Jones for a shooter.
Heck, if the Spurs get Luari for like Johnson and load of picks, Derozan makes sense then.
Just very quiet now. Seems trades eals are getting discussed as fringe players are getting snapped up
What can they do lol - I guess a Garland trade and/or Allen? Are they a sneaky candidate for Lauri in that case?
I mean, what is Golden State going to do? What are the Bucks going to do? What is CLE going to do? LAC has signed some guys, but will it be enough?
So many teams have gone for it and bolstered their rosters and the teams above really need to do something and how many freaking guys are actually available that can move those teams forward?
To build through the draft, you actually have to make draft picks, not just trade them for other, future draft picks
Kings already quit on Ainge's demands
A lot of teams are stuck in cap and a number of players want to get traded but won't.
The new CBA has reared its ugly head. Teams ed around and now they're finding out.
Sure. Just depends what Jazz want to go. They don't necessary need to tear it down. They got heaps of picks already. But I am not sure if Allen makes sense with Kressler there, and Garland with George being there. The rumour was they were trying to trade for Young or Murray and then bring Paul George in to make the team. Since that fell through, it might just be picks. Warriors have Kuminga as their man player and picks.
I think the reason why free agency has died down here is because a few teams are negotiating with Jazz.
I'm mostly with you FA is a total crapshoot/most guys will never actually hit the market, but I'm scared of Lauri's availability, only played over 80% of his games as a rook, 71% in career. This dude misses lots of games.
Maybe that's low bc Utah sat him but if I'm gonna pay a max contract, I want a reasonable expectation he's available to play at least 75% of games. Another year of evidence would help determine that.
I also think he's just an expiring for Utah= no reason to pay a huge premium right now.
I'm really interested in is Naz. Minny is gonna be pressed to trade either him or Conley before the end of the year. If they trade Conley, Ant or Dilly have to run basically all the point in the playoffs, that's not likely to get them back to the WCF.
Naz has a 25'-26' PO for $15M which he has to opt out off. Minny is $6.39M into the 2nd apron this year. Unless someone takes KAT, they trade Naz or Conley, they need two or 3 other salary dumps, which would have to include one or both of NAW or Dilly. If they don't get under, they lose access to the 2032 pick (no control of any first for 7 more years) and they are already over the 25'-26' 2nd apron (with Naz $15M next yr but without Dillys $7ish M). Not sure, but think 2 straight years in 2nd apron=hard card.
That Dilly trade may have put the Spurs in a great position to pick up Naz mid-yr and extend him, not cause the picks but cause the $6.3M 8th slot cap hit. I'd rather have Naz for $30M a yr than Lauri for $40. And Naz is over 2 years younger (I doubt he's peaked, where Lauri may well have), better timeline, better/much better defender, cost less assets, or if both are FAs, I'd rather have Naz at a lesser salary. Minny's cap is ed and the ownership is in flux. That Dilly trade may prove to be the precursor to a masterpiece.
If Minny extends Naz, they'd have find a taker for KAT or Gobert or gut the rest of the team, including Dilly. Their best answer is to get assets for Naz while they can, likely the worst cap situation in the league.
Last edited by Arguendo; 07-01-2024 at 10:17 PM.
Lauri is vastly better than Reid. Lauri scores 10 more ppg and his % are pretty much the same. Having Reid would be nice. But the Spurs still will be looking for their number 2. Having Lauri, your main players are set. If Castle works out, you just need to find role players and a token big like Bassey that can survive 5 mins in a playoff game. The Spurs still will have draft assets to plug holes while maintaining the team. Lauri game should also stay relevant in his 30s.
You’ll get no argument for me on that.
But just for the sake of the discussion I get the logic. Let’s say they take Dilly. Maybe he pans out to the tune of 17ppg and decent creator at about the Vassell level of success. In all likelihood he’s not leading us to a a championship. You get to year 3 and he’s wanting an appropriate extension. You’re rounding out a playoff team and trying to push through to the next level. He’s not getting us there.
An unprotected 1st and pick swap is probably worth more in trade than a mildly successful Dilly wanting an extension.
But like I said, I’m not completely against your point. I would have drafted Dilly or maybe even Carter or Buzelus. I do understand the trade though. Dilly wasn’t gonna put us over the top and amassing capital pads the war chest.
It wouldn’t have to be direct. Maybe its something like:
CLE Gets: Lauri
SA Gets: Garland
UTA Gets: whatever + picks
I'm happy for Derrick White, but his extension is more bad news for the 2028 pick swap the Spurs have with Boston. Tatum, Brown, and White will all be under contract when they'll be 30, 32, and 34. Of course, it's impossible to forecast injuries and other drama, but with those three secured there's a good chance they'll be a very good team. When the swap was originally made, none of them were extended that far out.
I'd be stunned if the Spurs went for Garland at this point. The CP3 pick-up strongly signals they're happy with their guard corps and wants him to help guide who they have. If anything they might need to shed a player.
As for DeRozan, mentioned above, I'd also be surprised if they go for him. He doesn't seem to fit what they want to do now. Again, before CP3 that might have been different, where they needed a bucket-getter and initiator of offense and, while I like Vassell, that's not a strong suit. They don't need that player anymore because the offensive dynamic is much changed.
What they need is a range shooter/wing.
Sure - I was using Spurs as a “stand in” for an example. Could take out Spurs, put in another team etc…
The injury history is an understandable concern, but I think you're right that Utah fudged those numbers quite a bit in the last 2 seasons with the same ploy that Pop did last year, i.e., sitting players with the ol' "abundance of caution" excuse.
Vastly? Really?
Does role matter? Does age/development matter?
Lauri 5th season 24 y/o 61G 30.8M 14.8P/5.7R/1.3A/0.7S/0.5B .445/.358/.868 Starter on a 44 win team that got better after he left
Naz 5th years 24 y/o 81G 24.2M 13.5P/5.2R/1.3A/0.8S/0.9B .477/.414/.736 Sixth man of the year on a 56 win team
I'm not making the case Naz is better, but its close. Did Lauri average almost 10 points playing almost 10 more minute/game than Naz? Yeah
But Lauri is the feature player on a mediocre team, Keldon averaged 22/per. Counting stating don't tell the whole tale. Their per 36 is a lot closer and Naz get a lot closer to Lauri's min if he's not behind KAT/Gobert and their monster contracts.
Role is important, I want championships. Naz plays in more games, is younger, is cheaper, and came up clutch time and again in this years POs as a 24 year old.
I think the Spurs window opens in about 3 years, I think Naz has a good chance to be a better player in 3 years than Lauri. I'm not confident, I like Lauri, but Lauri misses TONs of games (at all 3 stops, not just tanking UTA)
Lauri is not vastly better today, he's better--on offense--in a shining role. Naz may very well be better all-around today and he very well may be better next year and moving forward and is cheaper and plays a lot more games and plays 2-ways.
Last edited by Arguendo; 07-01-2024 at 10:41 PM.
Bulls/Cavs Lauri and Jazz Lauri are not the same player. Lauri signed that extension with the Cavs I think, and he had a partial guarantee on the last year of his contract (this year.) His ppgs went up by 10 and he shot even better. I think Lauri being so good actually put the Jazz in a weird situation, where they couldn't bottom out by trading Gobert and Mitc .
If Reid became the number one option, what would it look like? I think not good. So he plays a really good role for a good team now. I think Reid with Wemby would work really well and he will command a big contract in 2 seasons time. But, as I said, you trade for Reid, you are still looking at a number 2 player for the team. You trade for Lauri, you are looking for role players to fill out the roster.
For reference to Minny's cap & Naz making it to Free Agency, Ant, KAT, Ruby, and Jaden are locked in for $170.2M, if Naz were to resign there starting at $30M (which is prolly low considering Hartenstein got $29M), Minny would have 5 players at $200.2M, with a projected 2nd Apron of $209.2M. Dilly and Conley are both guaranteed and would put them about $10M over that apron with only 7 players and I think would be hard-capped just resigning Naz.
Minny has to make a trade this year, Naz is the easiest to move, blocked by literally $100M to KAT and Ruby, gets you the best value. Gonna be interesting to see what they do, they have to do something.
I love Naz, but I don't think he and Lauri are all that comparable at all. Lauri is a legit #2, whereas I see Naz as more of that Derrick-white type of contributor... absolutely awesome and super valuable, but not going to be your #2 guy.
I don't get the Lopez rumor. If true, either Wembanyama has made it clear he doesn't want to play C full time and/or they view it was a way to get off of Collins (even if it involves a third team) without giving up a relatively significant asset.
Haynes claimed the Spurs were interested yesterday.
It'd make no sense though considering the borderline logjam in the back court as is.
You are vastly over explaining your man crush on Naz Reid.
They're going to run it back this season and then trade McDaniels, KAT or Gobert to extend and keep Naz.
Giving them back those picks for McDaniels in a year isn't an impossible scenario.
Since we're so interested in far off draft picks, I wonder if the Bucks would trade their 2031 1st for multiple seconds. The Spurs could offer four or five and give the Bucks a chance for cheap talent each year with one pick in each of 25, 26, 27, 28 and maybe 29.
Now this is an idea I can really get behind.
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