Spurs sign Anthony Tolliver

[T Park]

Parker
Ginobili
Duncan
Bowen
Thomas

There's your experienced solid contributors.

Yeah I think those guys are ok

[Buddy Holly]

Duncan.

Parker.

Manu.

Do you know how many teams would kill for those three to all wear their uniforms?

Also, think about it. For the first time ever, they will be surrounded by young athletic players.

[ducks]

You're dumb.

The Spurs have hung their hats on treating players with respect and being a classy organization, and now you're defending them for basically telling Horry to off without so much as the courtesy of a phone call.

I can't figure out what's worse, your Manu bashing of late, or your defense of the front office in this situation.

prove they did not tell him their plans when they did his exit interview

[Buddy Holly]

You're dumb.

The Spurs have hung their hats on treating players with respect and being a classy organization, and now you're defending them for basically telling Horry to off without so much as the courtesy of a phone call.

I can't figure out what's worse, your Manu bashing of late, or your defense of the front office in this situation.

Did I miss something (an article, quote?) because I haven't read or seen anywhere where it's stated that Horry has been ignored, not even so much as a phone call.

[pad300]

He's been criticized on this board by morons who expect every Spurs rookie to make the All-NBA 1st team in their first season.

Maybe you're right. , I hope your right. But look at the bigs who have had calll ups from the D-League to the NBA...
Amir Johnson - Reb Rate in last D league season 15.2%
Chris Andersen - Reb Rate in last D league season 13.9%
Mikki Moore - Reb Rate for D League career 13.7%
Chuck Hayes - Reb Rate in last D league season 20.8%
Stephen Lasme - Reb Rate in last D league season 14.5%
Lance Allred - Reb Rate in last D league season 19.2%
Jelani McCoy - Reb Rate in last D league season 14.5% (note, he used to be an NBA player, he's dropped off considerably)
(this isn't all of them, but those I could find after a quick googling and off the top of my head).

The lowest D leageu Reb Rate is 13.7%. Tolliver is at 13%...

[Buddy Holly]

How many of those players "reb rate" came from playing on a team that preaches team defense like the Spurs?

[DPG21920]

Parker
Ginobili
Duncan
Bowen
Thomas

There's your experienced solid contributors.

I know, but I think others are upset because they see guys they know and trust go out the door. I am fine with our roster. There are needs, but our big 3 (4) are the best in the league imo.

I was referring to the young guys coming in. Hill, Gist, Hairston, Ian and Tolliver have not really played in the NBA (Ian has a little). People just have unrealistic expectations for rookies.

[Buddy Holly]

Let's not forget Mason.

He will be a contributor.

[pad300]

How many of those players "reb rate" came from playing on a team that preaches team defense like the Spurs?

Considering their all from the DLeague. None of them...

PS. Reb Rate is the shorthand for Rebound Rate - the % of rebounds that occur when your on the floor that you get. If all the players on the floor split the rebounds equally, it's 10%.

[DPG21920]

Let's not forget Mason.

He will be a contributor.

and Oberto

[Buddy Holly]

Considering their all from the DLeague. None of them...

PS. Reb Rate is the shorthand for Rebound Rate - the % of rebounds that occur when your on the floor that you get. If all the players on the floor split the rebounds equally, it's 10%.

For someone reason I read that as some type of defensive rating. lol

Well, he averaged 5 rebounds in the Vegas summer league.

[Marcus Bryant]

Tolliver played in 25 D-league games and grabbed 6+ boards a night. In college he was an acceptable rebounder. In any event, he's a prospect, nothing more.

[Marcus Bryant]

I know, but I think others are upset because they see guys they know and trust go out the door. I am fine with our roster. There are needs, but our big 3 (4) are the best in the league imo.

I was referring to the young guys coming in. Hill, Gist, Hairston, Ian and Tolliver have not really played in the NBA (Ian has a little). People just have unrealistic expectations for rookies.

I expect the rookies to be raw, look good at times, and look really awful at other times. Such is life when you add youth to the supporting cast. Spurs fans won't be able to handle most of next season.

[ducks]

Tolliver played in 25 D-league games and grabbed 6+ boards a night. In college he was an acceptable rebounder. In any event, he's a prospect, nothing more.

sounds like a horry replacement to me
lets just hope he can play before the allstar game unlike horry

[pad300]

sounds like a horry replacement to me
lets just hope he can play before the allstar game unlike horry

Lets see if he can give Bonner a run for his money. Then we can start with Horry replacement...

[ducks]

Tolliver is horry replacement not booner

[Kori Ellis]

I don't even know if they guaranteed Tolliver's contract. So I wouldn't be penciling him in as an Horry replacement.

[ducks]

true but he can not be worse then horry last year

[DPG21920]

I expect the rookies to be raw, look good at times, and look really awful at other times. Such is life when you add youth to the supporting cast. Spurs fans won't be able to handle most of next season.

Agreed. I do not think Pop will be able to handle it sometimes! He is going to have that burning ball of rage in his chest, lol.

[Kori Ellis]

true but he can not be worse then horry last year

He could. He could be just waived if he doesn't make it through camp if his contract is non/partially guaranteed.

[Marcus Bryant]

Agreed. I do not think Pop will be able to handle it sometimes! He is going to have that burning ball of rage in his chest, lol.

Pop is part of this move. I'm sure he understands what it entails.

[DPG21920]

I would be so happy if Hill could give us the defense of Vaughn but a little more penetration. If Ian could give us 5 points, 4 rebounds and some solid shot altering in limited minutes that would be great as long as he shows some flashes of brilliance to go along with the foul trouble.

I just think people hear the word replacement and assume minutes sky-rocket, that is just not the case for rookies, unless you are the cream of the crop.

[DPG21920]

Pop is part of this move. I'm sure he understands what it entails.

He is part of it, but I bet that he too will feel the growing pains that are a necessary evil of infusing much needed young talent. Pop likes veterans and will lean on them I imagine, but he is good about giving young players with potential minutes. He is a coach, he gets mad at Duncan still, he loves him, but...he is a coach. That is why I love Pop.

[DPG21920]

All seasons have the up and down, 82 games are a lot to play, especially when your are infusing new players. We must be patient. The Spurs still have plenty of veterans that can carry a team and they will be doing most of the work.

[Marcus Bryant]

He is part of it, but I bet that he too will feel the growing pains that are a necessary evil of infusing much needed young talent. Pop likes veterans and will lean on them I imagine, but he is good about giving young players with potential minutes. He is a coach, he gets mad at Duncan still, he loves him, but...he is a coach. That is why I love Pop.

Make no mistake, Pop and Duncan have the burning desire to win. That's why Duncan has re-upped with the Spurs 3 times and why Pop is currently agreeing to the overhaul of the supporting cast.