Moving into the Top Ten or Lottery

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its a pretty big ask for dallas to both unload a bad contract AND get a good rotation player in exchange for the #10 pick

plus, if they get a good player back in exchange for, say, bertans' contract, then they're not really saving much, if at all, against the cap anyway. so they'd need a team to take on multiple bad deals AND give a good player in return for the #10 pick

i dont think they'll find their perfect deal. id eat the bertans deal and give them the hornets pick for #10 if our target is on the board though

I do this all day long and twice on Sundays if my man Bilal is still on the board. Getting a specialty defender (forgetting what he promises offensively of course) like him to shore up our perimeter defense is precisely what's needed now that we'll have Wembanyama helping our interior defense. Not to mention they're already familiar with one another's game.

[JPB]

Dallas has certainly different ways to get rid of Bertans and Hardaway with different teams till next season's end (and over for Hardaway) than panicking and selling off their #10 pick. They don't necessarily have to do it now.

[Chinook]

Hardaway goes thru 2024-2025 and Bertans has $5M guaranteed that second seasons.

I'm just curious how you think they're going "slip under" the tax in 2024. They will be over the second apron next summer, well over if they sign Irving. They can't attach cash to ANY trades, starting that summer. They can't make a trade that is even one dollar more for the incoming player. They can't aggregate players in a trade. They can't trade their FRP 7 years out (2031), even if it's clear, and the clock starts on it dropping to the end of the 2031 first round if they are in the second apron even ONE year out of the next three. If they are over the next summer, that 2031 pick automatically drops to the end of the first round no matter their record because the 2 in 4 years penalty is met, and their 2032 pick is now on the clock.

The rules are different next summer. This is their last get out of jail free summer period where the old rules apply.

The clock starts in 2024/25 and the penalties ramp up in 2025/26. So they can be over in 24 and slip under in 25.

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The clock starts in 2024/25 and the penalties ramp up in 2025/26. So they can be over in 24 and slip under in 25.

How? There are dire trade restriction in the new rules. You act like it will be business as usual in July 2024, and I assure it will not be.

[Chinook]

How? There are dire trade restriction in the new rules. You act like it will be business as usual in July 2024, and I assure it will not be.

Bertans and Hardaway expire in the summer of 25. They don't need to trade them. But they're still allowed to trade them for space in 2024 if they want. The rules didn't stop that.

[Dverde]

According to my Mavs friends, Luka and Hardaway got into some shouting fights and the fan base wants Hardaway gone before the season starts. They are all terrified Luka will ask for a trade if they have another bad season. Hardaway’s father said this last season about Luka…

"They're missing a leader out there. Luka is not a leader, Kyrie is not a leader. Jalen Brunson was a leader," Hardaway said. "A leader shows by example, by playing defense. When he says something, he does it also, and that's what a leader is. And like I said, those two guys are not leaders. They're complementary, dominant great basketball players. Great scorers."

[JPB]

According to my Mavs friends, Luka and Hardaway got into some shouting fights and the fan base wants Hardaway gone before the season starts. They are all terrified Luka will ask for a trade if they have another bad season. Hardaway’s father said this last season about Luka…

"They're missing a leader out there. Luka is not a leader, Kyrie is not a leader. Jalen Brunson was a leader," Hardaway said. "A leader shows by example, by playing defense. When he says something, he does it also, and that's what a leader is. And like I said, those two guys are not leaders. They're complementary, dominant great basketball players. Great scorers."

I don't see how they could win, or even make the finals next year. Small sample size but their record with Luka and FE playing (5-11) is not good and the rest of their roster is overall not good either. Luka is gone after next year if you ask me.

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I don't see how they could win, or even make the finals next year. Small sample size but their record with Luka and FE playing (5-11) is not good and the rest of their roster is overall not good either. Luka is gone after next year if you ask me.

So long as it's not to either LA team, IDGAF.

[Big Empty]

If i was portland id draft Scoot or Miller, trade Lillard to the Mavs for the 10th pick and a possible other FRP, Dallas would need to unload Kyrie. I dont know if this is possible but makes the most sense for both teams. Lillards 50 million a year contract though lol

[duncan2150]

i don't see a lot of path to move into the lottery, we have picks and cap space, i don't see teams in need of picks or who want to unload contracts giving up a pick

Utah could be the first team interested in picks with Ainge and their 16 th, where i think it's start to be really possible to move up is at 21,22 with the Brooklyn pick and after.

The warriors could aslo be open to trade their pick at 19

[DAF86]

After getting Wemby, in terms of fit, the only player worth trading up for in this draft is Scoot. It's not impossible but it might be too expensive.

[The Truth #6]

According to my Mavs friends, Luka and Hardaway got into some shouting fights and the fan base wants Hardaway gone before the season starts. They are all terrified Luka will ask for a trade if they have another bad season. Hardaway’s father said this last season about Luka…

"They're missing a leader out there. Luka is not a leader, Kyrie is not a leader. Jalen Brunson was a leader," Hardaway said. "A leader shows by example, by playing defense. When he says something, he does it also, and that's what a leader is. And like I said, those two guys are not leaders. They're complementary, dominant great basketball players. Great scorers."

Hardaway’s dad sounds convincing to me. With Luka, all of Cuban’s bad choices may be hiding the fact that Luka is not a great leader and deserves some of the blame for Dallas always floundering.

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

I would love if we could some how get Cason Wallace also. Honestly though, I think we shouldn’t do anything too crazy. Scout some solid draft prospects that will be low in the first or early second and go from there.

[Ariel]

Bertans and Hardaway expire in the summer of 25. They don't need to trade them. But they're still allowed to trade them for space in 2024 if they want. The rules didn't stop that.

They can't afford to wait 2 years to do something or they lose Luka. I'd bet good money they pull a few moves by draft night or shortly after.

[Ariel]

I thought I heard that the Nets were absolutely in love with Mikal and were looking to build around him. But smokescreens happen.

It's not a smokescreen. He's been great, he's young, high character, smart, has incredible availability, one of the best defenders in the NBA, very good shooter, 2 way wing, on a cheap contract... if they trade him they deserve to go down in flames, like Phoenix did.

[Chinook]

They can't afford to wait 2 years to do something or they lose Luka. I'd bet good money they pull a few moves by draft night or shortly after.

I agree. That's a different conversation than the one that quote is from though.

[scott]

We get Wemby and now everyone is getting greedy AF.

I love it.

[Rubberducky]

From what I’ve seen on the other team forums:

8 Wizards: Cam Whitmore is the pipe dream (grew up a wiz fan) but he’s unlikely to drop. Otherwise want a guard. They seem VERY split on Wallace vs Black. They are out on other players in this range.

9 Jazz: Also prioritizing a PG. They are also very split on Wallace vs Black. Slight favor on Wallace from what I’ve seen. They are in on Gradey though so that they can field a troll name lineup of Gay/ /Sexton. There’s also a heavy debate on Lauri/9/16 to Portland for 3 if Scoot drops.

10 Mavericks: Trade it.

Count me in the camp for trading Keldon and a future first for #10 and draft a PG. I personally prefer Wallace over Black. If neither player is available at 10, stand pat at the lottery and let the season play out with the current team.

[poopbox]

Love this exercise, but I'll throw in a wrinkle.

Once we get a feeling of what the cost would be to move up to the range where we could take Black (for example), I'd ask what do you think the cost would be to get Haliburton from Indiana or Ivey from Detroit. Both of these guys may be off limits, but everyone has their price.

If we could get Haliburton or Ivey for our 1 next year + Atlanta's 2025 + the CHI pick + the CHA pick... would you do it? Certainly both of those would be preferable to Black or Wallace?

I'd give up the motherload for Haliburton but he is the pacers future franchise player so completely off limits. That would be like them calling us about the number 1 pick.

[rascal]

Target Utah with the 16th pick. Jalen Hood-Shifino will be just as good as Black and or Wallace and will cost less in a trade.

Will be great with a lob threat like Wemby.

Also an excellent mid range shooter off the dribble.

[Dejounte]

Rayan Rupert will be the target if there is a trade up tbh

Freak athlete with elite measurements. Can pick up point guards full court. French. Friends with Wemby already.

[Mr. Body]

How does Keldon's contract work, hypothetically? If he's traded before or during the draft, it counts at the current, smaller number? But if he's traded after the draft, it's at the new, extension number?

[Mr. Body]

Rayan Rupert will be the target if there is a trade up tbh

Freak athlete with elite measurements. Can pick up point guards full court. French. Friends with Wemby already.

Toolsy French guards who can't shoot seem like an archetype you can get every other draft.

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How does Keldon's contract work, hypothetically? If he's traded before or during the draft, it counts at the current, smaller number? But if he's traded after the draft, it's at the new, extension number?

It’s really ing complicated to trade him before the new league year starts in July.

[Spursfanfromafar]

It's not a smokescreen. He's been great, he's young, high character, smart, has incredible availability, one of the best defenders in the NBA, very good shooter, 2 way wing, on a cheap contract... if they trade him they deserve to go down in flames, like Phoenix did.

Mikal Bridges is the new Jimmy Butler in the making. An incredibly consistent and hard working player who will elevate your team. Neigh impossible to get him on the Spurs but he would be a great great fit.